15 years later: Who really won Dela Hoya V Trinidad fight?

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  1. TheGOAT

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    Well in the after-interview all Oscar was worried about was taking Trinidad to dinner!
     
  2. Sweet Jones

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    This.
     
  3. KO-KING

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    He got outboxed, sure he lost towards the end, the first half of the fight was a jabbing fight. Trinidad lost the fight
     
  4. Exposed

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    What matters about this fight was that De La Hoya was afraid to rematch Tito. Remember, after De La Hoya Tito went on to destroy high caliber opponents left and right, up to middleweight.

    De La Hoya saw this and was tentative to a rematch.
     
  5. Bad Boyz

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    Dlh 116-112
     
  6. MrPR

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    Got to watch the fight again to be completely sure .
     
  7. McGrain

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    Felix Trinidad MD12 Oscar De La Hoya

    OSCAR: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9
    TITO: 10,11,12

    It felt like a robbery to me, it felt like Oscar won it pretty big and that's the way I see it when I actually put pen to paper over it. To be honest, I can't really see how anyone comes up with this fight for Trinidad. The above scorecard doesn't make me comfortable, I hate scoring round after round for one guy, but that's the way I saw it, and if I was to watch it again with "benefit of the doubt" type eyes I think I could only hack up 4 and 9 for Tito. I admit these could be scored either way. That gives me a card of 7-5, at best for Trinidad and I can't see how I could see it any other way.

    I thought Oscar's punching was consistently brilliant when he went on the attack, and I think the variety of leads was great to see. He flushes a one-two off a lead left uppercut at one point, leads with hooks to the body, jabs, right hands, you name, every punch really. He doesn't do a lot of punching, but he certainly lands mare than Trinidad by a ways up until he quits fighting. He outlanded him in round 9, which I know is a big one on Tito fan's cards. I think you could give 9 to Tito, but Oscar starts very strong with varied attacks, goes on his bike, but finishes up pretty strong in the last ten seconds with flurries and combos. You can't ignore them as though it were some cheap parlour trick, they are scoring punches, and for me they shadow the round for De La Hoya.

    Round 4 is the crucial round to me, as Oscar gets hit hard here twice just standing around and waiting. After that, he never really stops moving, which dominates the flavour of the fight. It works for him though, and Trinidad often looks set in stone, missing punches by literally a foot on a couple of occasions late on. It's such a high energy style though, and I think that gets underplayed a bit. Look how many steps Oscar has to take to keep ahead of Tito in these middle rounds, a ratio of four to one wouldn't surprise me. It's basically an aerobic workout in the middle of a boxing match. There wasn't any decision by Oscar to move those last three rounds, he just didn't have the energy to fight. The best camp he'd ever had couldn't supply him with that kind of energy against a high pressure style. He doesn't get beaten up though, apart from in the twelfth, because Trinidad is knackered also. In fact...they start to look a little like Cotto-Margarito I

    I'm honestly not denigrating them though, in spite of Oscars sometimes stiff-shined galloping style and Trinidad's muted, thumping pursuit, this is just about Oscar's best display. I thought he won handily and deserved the decision. I think Trinidad got exposed a bit here, finally, but showed good discipline and another facet to his game. He perhaps would have done better had he boxed with a bit less discipline, sometimes though?
     
  8. Cisco Route

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    No.

    That scorecard is ridiculous...
     
  9. McGrain

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    It's definitely better than yours (which is invisible).
     
  10. Hulkamania

    Hulkamania What ya gonna do!!! Full Member

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    I have watched it multiple times, sometimes DLH comes out the winner by 2 points and others Tito by 1 point. DLH running like that the last 3 to 4 rounds, did him no favors.

    There were points in the first part of the fight where DLH completely embarassed Tito though..... but Tito kept coming and I thought did enough to either loose a 115-113 type of fight or win a 115-113 type of fight.

    DLH was gassed at the end, and couldn't stand there and trade with Tito. Tito was a beast and that goes to show you how good DLH also was in his prime.
     
  11. Cisco Route

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    Exactly. You score fights in much the same way as you come up with your rankings - ie using the Ray Charles and Stevie Wonder method...
     
  12. McGrain

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    :lol: ok. Welcome back.
     
  13. Cisco Route

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    LOL.

    Thank you, glad to be here.

    When are your TBR rankings due for an update? I'm sure we'll have another good argument over them. :hat
     
  14. JAB5239

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    I agree. You might have able to sqeeze another round in there for Tito somewhere, but over all i thought Oscar schooled him.
     
  15. McGrain

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    They get updated every week, unless i'm having a **** week, in which case every two.

    That's on this site. On TBRB they're updated without fail, every week.

    http://www.tbrb.org/