Ali's Power ..

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  1. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    spinks a bum ???? Why ????
     
  2. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    Your argument is shot...
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    kind of power is ultra dangerous to a man who's exhausted, taken enough punishment and is almost blind like Frazier was.
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    fighter would have been capable of administering near fatal punishment on Joe in the 15th that night.
     
  3. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    There is a sound difference between Ali as an effective fighter and Ali's power .. even post exile the 30 plus Ali had tremendous physical skills ... he had a huge reach ( although some don't believe that matters, LOL ) , he was exceptionally strong, fast, had an iron chin, terrific stamina and heart. He still moved quite a bit and maximized his skills .. I'm just saying he is lower tier all time in regard to his punching power, defeating men thru stinging them into exhaustion .. any fighter is capable of catching another and his KO of Bonavena was one of those moments ..
     
  4. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    doesn't matter how hard you hit, its who you stopped.

    Ali stopped Foreman, Liston and Frazier. No other fighter can claim that, not even so called power punchers.

    David Tua, amazing puncher, who did he ever stop? Ruiz and Moorer, big whoop
     
  5. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Because he wasn't a Klitscko opponent that's why.

    If he had been, people here would be singing Spinks praises
     
  6. punk

    punk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Very similar to Leonard
     
  7. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Agree
     
  8. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Ali didn't punch with any real leverage. Big power is generated coming forward , not going backwards.

    Id like to see how hard a guy like Wlad Klitschko can punch running backwards.

    He doesn't even have the technique to do it let alone do it with any authority.

    Ali punched just fine for a guy on his toes and you can't effectively hit hard on your toes.
     
  9. tommytheduke

    tommytheduke Active Member Full Member

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    Muhammad Ali in his prime (1966/67) did have a KO punch. His straight right hand counter was extremely powerful. (The right hand counter at the start of the 3rd round against Cleveland Williams, for example).
     
  10. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    After the second Liston fight, Ali claimed to have a secret knockout punch that "will knock anyone out".
    I never saw him use it in any other fight.
    I assume it was out of kindness that he only unleashed it once.
    A suspicious person would think Liston went down for other reasons.
     
  11. turpinr

    turpinr Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I only remember Ali throwing straight punches to the head, no body uppercut and some mediocre looking hooks but he was fast, had terrific reflexes and timing.
    He stopped Sonny Liston Joe Frazier Ron Lyle Jerry Quarry Oscar Bonavena Zora Folley Cleveland wWilliams and ko'd George Foreman so he must have been hitting hard enough.
     
  12. he grant

    he grant Historian/Film Maker

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    Nothing like regurgitating the same dissected point over and over ..
     
  13. detamour

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    Ali, was never able too show his full range off his gifts, due too his enforced illegal exile. Remember, he was stripped without any hearing whatsoever!!
     
  14. Drew101

    Drew101 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    *He had Joe Frazier hurt badly in the second round of the second fight. Had Tony Perez not ended the round twenty seconds early, it's possible that Ali is able to put Frazier on the mat. Even if he doesn't, the fact that he visibly affected Frazier so early in the fight is an indication that he was capable of doing damage before exhaustion set in.

    *Bonavena may have been tired, but didn't seem in any real distress prior to getting clocked with the left hook that started his downfall. Ali caught him clean, with a shot he didn't see and it landed with sufficient force to put him over. Had it been a simple love tap, Bonavena would have been able to absorb it in the same manner that he absorbed everything else up to that point.

    *Foreman spent seven rounds getting clocked with clean counter punches off the ropes, and they, as much as any other reason, were why he was spent by the end of the fight. Robinson-Maxim this wasn't.

    * Bottom line, Ali may not have been a huge puncher, but he had respectable pop that shouldn't be dismissed. Claiming Ali couldn't punch, or was a light puncher is pretty egregious, imo,.
     
  15. BillB

    BillB Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ali's exile was not "illegal". He was stripped of his title by the WBA and denied a boxing license by every state in the US after being arrested for violating draft laws. The WBA had a right to do that as did the states. No hearing was required.