Victor Galindez v Lloyd Marshall

I'm not a hipster, sputnik.

 

There are two mistaken (I believe) notions that have gained steam on this board over the past year or so. One is that Joe Calzaghe somehow fights like Harry Greb (I don't think he is an even remotely reasonable facsimile based on what we see of Joe and all we've read of HG). The other is that Lloyd Marshall is "chinny".

If one looks closely at his record it says Marshall has 11 KO losses in 99 fights. 4 of those KOs came after 1950 and when he was pretty shot, so that leaves 7 KO losses to examine. The first was to a cuts stoppage to Ceferino Garcia. So no chin failure there. The first legit stoppage loss was not until SEVEN years into his career. Up to that point he had fought Charley Burley twice, Ezzard Charles, Eddie Booker, Teddy Yarosz(twice), Ceferino Garcia twice, Shorty Hogue, Lou Brouillard, Ken Overlin, Anton Christoforidis and power punching Johnny Bandit Romero(3 times).

That's a lotta champs and some rugged challengers, many of whom had more than enough firepower (or experience if lacking the KO clout) to expose a "chinny" fighter. But no, he took it. It took a 10 lbs heavier Jimmy Bivins 13 rounds to finally get the job done. If Marshall was so chinny wouldn't he have gone down sooner? Or wouldn't one of those previously listed have taken him out?

6 down, 5 to go.

Marshall goes 2 years and 20 fights before another stoppage, and that to the greatest KO artist in light-heavy (and all of boxing) history in Archie Moore. Still it was a TKO and it was in the FINAL round. He fought Moore the month previous and gave him a rugged 10 round distance fight(floored Arch 3 times). The second fight went into the 10th. So basically Lloyd went almost 20 full rounds with the all-time KO king before Archie finally found the knockout(again, a TECHNICAL knockout. The allegedly "chinny" Marshall kept getting up despite being floored 3 times!). Keep in mind that leading up to the Moore loss he had fought Jack Chase(3 times), Curtis "Hatchetman" Sheppard, Jake LaMotta, Holman Williams(twice) and Nate Bolden. Not all power punchers, but all good enough to expose a shaky chin.

The next KO loss was the following year to hard hitting Oakland Billy Smith in a fight Marshall was winning. Keep in mind it took Smith 9 rounds to do this. He just caught Marshall with a huge right that he didn't recover from(along with 2 left hooks on the way down). Remember, we are TEN years and 74 fights into his career. So far the only legit KO losses due to chin failure are to Moore, Bivins and Smith, all in the late rounds.

Would anyone today be considered "chinny" if this were the case??

8 down, three to go.

Marshall makes the mistake of signing to fight a peak, deadly Ezzard Charles in the very next fight after the Smith loss; a "Cincinnati Cobra" bent on revenge after a previous KO loss to Marshall. Charles is floored in the first but roars back to stop Marshall with BODY punches in the 6th round. No chin failure there.

He unwisely fights Charles again the following year, but by now his chin is beginning to shows some signs of softening, although it took loads of hellacious shots from the prime Charles to get the job done. The next KO was a TKO 2 years later to power-punching Irish Bob Murphy. The UP report says it all: "San Diego's Irish Bob Murphy racked up his 36th KO in 41 pro bouts last night with a 4th round TKO over aging Lloyd Marshall"

So there you have it. Considering his quality of opposition, I think it's safe to say that Marshall had a chin at LEAST as good as Joe Louis. Maybe as good as Larry Holmes? It's debatable. But he obviously had a solid- not granite- chin and I don't see it getting exposed by the likes of Victor Galindez, who could hit but was not of a power level that would make Lloyd Marshall lose any sleep. And Marshall faced(and beat) fighters of a skill level FAR above Galindez.

If anyone's chin is going to get cracked, it's Victor. Marshall hurt, floored and knocked out far greater fighters than the Argentine pug. Marshall by KO within 10.

 

You're the king of hipsters. In the nicest possible way.

 

And I'll make a case for you being a Thai-flavored hipster
Seriously Flea, how come you've got it in for South American fighters...Monzon, Jofre, Galindez???

 

what's a hipster anyway ?????

 

I love Jofre., just because I pick a prime Saldivar to beat him you think I don't! I love loads of South American fighters.

 

such nasty words from such a pristine girl.:hi:

 

Maybe you can make a pick instead of trying to rile up posters?

I think Marshall prevails in a series but he was inconsistent and over 15, with the title on the line, Galindez can take a squeaker, or at least hold him to a draw.

 

Galindez. I was not the one to go on the attack. Flea Man was. why don't you say something to him. bud/

 

Because I like him and I don't know you. And because you are in several different threads calling Flea and Klompton choice names.

 

Uh guys? Galindez vs Marshall please.....:smoke

 

Recreate that thread. I wouldn't mind dialing-in my opinion on that myself :smoke

 

Sorry. I think Victor before and up to the first Kates fight was a great hard punching counter-puncher w/ a great chin that never gave up and would fight to the end of breath. I think he would win. :hi:

 

Thank you. I will. Right now.

 

I'm pretty sure klompton picked Jack Johnson over Greb. Anyway I think McGrain put the kibosh on a battle royale thread.