HBO needs to STOP with the false advertising, GGG is *not* the 160 champ

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  1. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Cotto is the reigning champ and in a one belt era Golovkin would merely be the standout contender.

    If Golovkin gets his shot at Cotto, maybe he'll prove himself the best in the world. But until then he shouldn't be given a shortcut to the top.

    Golovkin is doing the right thing by smashing through the top ten and calling out Cotto. But Canelo is a bigger fight right now, let's hope Triple G gets the winner.
     
  2. Cisco Route

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    The FACT remains, Alvarez has fought and beaten better competition than Triple Duck.

    FACTS, learn to live with them...
     
  3. Cisco Route

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    Part of the reason why Alvarez is the bigger fight is because Alvarez has the better resume. Alvarez has fought and beaten stiffer opposition. Alvarez hasn't spent the WHOLE of his career on a Bum Of The Month tour as has Triple Duck.

    Golovtards have no grounds on which to object to a Cotto Alvarez fight happening before Triple Duck gets a shot. Alvarez is the more worthy challenger. Period, end of...
     
  4. Plutonium

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    The only fact is that you are an idiot if you think a 154 fighter deserves a shot at the lineal MW title over the number 1 MW contender.
     
  5. Cisco Route

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    154 IS middleweight, Genius. And yes, Alvarez deserves the shot over Golovkin simply because GOLOVKIN HASN'T BEATEN ANYONE - and Alvarez HAS.

    1 + 1 = 2
     
  6. Plutonium

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    and he will not beat anyone worth mentioning as long as so called champions and their fans wet their panties when their hear GGG's name.

    154 IS middleweight, Genius.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Weight_class_(boxing)
     
  7. The Mongoose

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    Not always true.

    Foreman was the lineal Champion but by refusing to make meaningful fights, Holyfield and Lewis became recognized as the top heavyweights during his reign.

    Gus Lesnevich and than MIlls was the lineal LHW Champion but they refused to make meaningful defenses, and Ezzard Charles became recognized as the top LHW fighter. When people speak of Charles' greatness, people don't add "but but he never took the title from Gus or Mills..."

    ..etc.

    Triple G has been the outstanding leading contender almost as long as Charles was. Like Charles, we thus far have two Champions that have refused to meet him.

    However, we now have a deadline set for Cotto. He is either going to fight GGG this year or vacate. If Cotto refuses and is stripped, GGG's claim should not be disputed.
     
  8. JAB5239

    JAB5239 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I dont think anyone wouldd dispute it as long as he fights for the vacant lineal championship....it has to reestablished some where. This is more a problem of these phony sanctioningb bodies today. In a one belt era it was much easier to deermine the bestb because you HAD to fight the other top fighters.
     
  9. The Mongoose

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    Not true at all.

    Because in the one belt era you had guys like:

    Jack Johnson, Jack Dempsey, Jess Willard, Tony Zale, Gus Lesnevich...etc. who held the belts hostage at various points, either not fighting or refusing to meet the top contenders. They may have been the Champions but there were more than reasonable doubts they were really the best men fighting.

    Even Hagler in the late 70s was held back for 3 years as the leading outstanding contender while others got their shot first.
     
  10. JAB5239

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    This, while true, doesn't change the fact it is easier to differentiate the best fighter fighting out of a single top ten and fighting each other than several top tens.
     
  11. jonze86

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    Yes,Alvarez has two great wins over Trout and Lara.however both have made careers at 154.Alvarez has never fought at 160pounds.and i don't think it's fair to leap frog all the 160pounders in rankings.especially GGG.who has beaten almost every top 10 contender there(160pounds is not the most talented).but however he has earned his shot at the lineal title.

    Only think unfair is that Cotto don't need to defend it this year,or early january.he can wait almost a year without defending it.that's called stalling the division.

    and these "bums" GGG is fighting,are sadly best that MW can give to him.maybe he should drop to 154 or move up to 168 and earn the lineal titleshot at 160?

    Alvarez offers bigger payday than GGG.and as everybody knows.boxing is about money and politics.

    And also Cotto "earned" his shot going 1-2 in his last 3fights at 154pounds.beating Rodriquez at 154 nowadays is enough to earn shot at 160.

    But hey,maybe GGG next year KO'S again 3-4 ranked top 20 fighters and keeps waiting his lineal titleshot.maybe someday we can say he earns titleshot over these 154pounders.just maybe.

    And if Cotto and Canelo fight next may.it's almost 3years with this lineal **** and that title has been defended grand total of a 3times before that.sounds that lineal title has been hold hostage.

    Maybe Cotto&Canelo winner will fight against Floyd 2016?then maybe GGG will get his shot 2017.but i bet new challenger emerges and somebody like Amir Khan is claimed as king in MW,and it doesn't matter nobody has beaten true MW in their careers.

    Sounds the only logical way that boxing operates nowadays.

    everybody knows that Cotto is ducking GGG right now,because the money fight against Canelo is waiting.and GGG could spoil it easily.if he would get the chance.but of course Cotto keeps that belt hostage in Puerto Rico instead fighting regulary.

    If you are king in your division,you should defend your status regulary.if you don't do it.i can't consider you as the king.
     
  12. jonze86

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    Of course you can point out fighters who did that.however now you have multiple fighters doing that.and one important thing,now with more titles you can choose your path towards the title.and it's just really stupid that there can be up to 4 champions in one weight.

    i'm already writing a letter to olympic comitee that they should give 4 gold medals in Rio,so we could have more olympic heroes.i bet they thing my idea is genious and maybe they award me also a gold medal.

    Belts are handed like candies,and usually they hold that candy hostage as long as they can.

    Of course there still would be ducking,as long we don't have one sanctioning body who makes/orders the fights.but with one belt it would be definetly better.very few will probably deny that.

    Somebody has to take over in boxing,boxing should be purest form of competing.where the toughest survive.

    Now it's only promoters stock market game,where boxers are properties and seen as investments.

    It makes me angry and sad,that there were many good fighters who never got the opportunity in the biggest stages,just because the promoter wasn't rich or didn't want to risk his other investment.because this new investment wasn't as marketable as the other.

    My first advice to future boxers would be,find rich promoter and suck his dick every day.and hope you are marketable.skills come secondary.
     
  13. lufcrazy

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    The lineal champ isn't always the best in the division, I completely agree. They do, whilst globally recognised, certainly have the best claim to being the divisional champion however.

    Holyfield and Tyson were absolutely the top two in the division (as were Tarver and Jones et al) and whilst no one realistically questioned Holyfields status as the top HW after twice stopping Mike, it is also true that he didn't have the claim of beating the legitimate champion as Foreman did.

    Murderers row were seen as outstanding contenders, but never as champions. That is how Holyfield and Golovkin should be perceived.
     
  14. Jim Bowen

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    Sorry, which middleweights has Alvarez beat again? Don't be a mong all your life.
     
  15. Cisco Route

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    Claim to WHAT exactly?

    Nobody disputes his claim as a paper titlist - and that's all the claim he has...

    Lineal titles cannot be stripped. Period, end of. All that can happen is for Cotto to lose, move up or retire.