HBO needs to STOP with the false advertising, GGG is *not* the 160 champ

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  1. Cisco Route

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    Alvarez' last fight was in the middleweight division.
     
  2. jonze86

    jonze86 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I remember it was at 155pounds,i call those ones catchweights.but i hope you atleast think after those two fights,then GGG would get hic chance.or atleast Cotto or Canelo could handpick GGG as an easy defence,but i think you prefer maybe Taylor,Murray or maybe someone at 154 pounds coming up again.

    You could make career of promoting fighters,you think wisely and safely for your fighters
     
  3. The Mongoose

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    Highly Debatable.

    In the case of Foreman, he was recognized by lineal purists as the divisonal Champion but his exploitative match making led to the RING, all the major organizations, and many fans to look to the winner of the Holyfield/Tyson rematch as the proper Champion. Giving the lineal claim isn't an official title it can be milked and rendered as meaningless as any other trinket. A lineal can be disputed. Foreman was lineal but his claim as the true Champion was disputed. If a Champion isn't the best, its a worthless title isn't? A Champion must prove they are the best.

    In this case. The lineal MW Champion, Martinez, lost to a LMW in a catchweight bout. Golovkin and Geale was between the #1 and #2 Middle. There's genuine room for a dispute of Cotto's claim as the 160 Champion. He needs to beat Golovkin.

    But I don't think anyone but a lunatic lwould dispute if Cotto gives up his claim, the winner of the vacant title should be the new undisputed lineal.
     
  4. Cisco Route

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    The Ring magazine, alphabet organizations, nor do the fans get to arbitrarily decide who is or who isn't the lineal champion, Genius. Why do you keep holding on to that **** poor nonsensical argument? The winner of Holyfield/Tyson was *never* anything more than a paper titlist and EVERYBODY knows this...
     
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    Cisco Route lost an account bet to me. EVERYBODY knows this. By returning as a pathetic belt welcher he has rendered his posts irrelevant to me, I will only recognize what posts of his I wish, becaues I don't have to recognize any of them. He shouldn't be here, if he had any character, he would not be here.
     
  6. acie2g

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    I understand you like GGG but the simple truth is Cotto and Canelo have done more than GGG, Cotto just beat the #1MW and the true Champ GGG has beaten exactly 2 universally rated top 10 MW.

    It's not new that the best fighter from one division move up to fight the best in the one above, something people seem to be against GGG doing. I don't even have a problem with GGG I just rather he do something worth the hype before all the praise. I got Canelo to beating GGG after Cotto anyway.
     
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    You should consider making public the PM's he sent you groveling to keep posting under his old account?:patsch
     
  8. Cisco Route

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    Translation: I don't know WTF I'm talking about and the Cisco Route kicks my ass in honest debate...
     
  9. jonze86

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    How you justify Cotto getting the shot?last 3fights 1-2.and golden ticket was beating Rodriguez.GGG resume is not strong(nobody rates MW nowadays) but he had better run than Cotto at the moment.

    And yes it's not new that best fighter moves from one division to another and challenge the champion.however Cotto was no where the best in 154pounds.

    And i bet GGG would jump on the opportunity to fight Cotto this winter,however Cotto is keeping that title hostage at Puerto Rico.maybe GGG is overhyped,but nobody had given him chance to prove he is the real deal.

    I really hope next year GGG will get his opportunity,and it's just stupid if we have lineal MW title on the line and the fighters record at that weightclass is 1-0 and 0-0.

    This is mostly money thing,and also celebrity/popularity.

    i looked ring top 10 at MW.and last 2opponents have been top 10rated.what more GGG can do to earn his opportunity?well atleast after Canelo&Cotto is over.there is absolutely no reasons to give GGG a shot at lineal title.if the winner refuse.then it's really hard to consider the winner anything more than paper titlist.
     
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  11. jonze86

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    I also think that 154 pounds is little bit overrated by americans.simply because there we have seen Floyd,Canelo,Cotto etc.. All the current big names on boxing.

    MW become **** poor after Hopkins,Trinidad,De La Hoya,Pavlik,Taylor leaved from there.now there is not many "stars" from northern/central america,so it must suck hard.

    americas market is still the biggest and most hyped.i don't deny that they are good.but somewhat overrated comes to mind
     
  12. The Mongoose

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    -Not at MW. Cotto was 1-2 in his last 3 fights also. Until Martienz his superior achievements are buried deep in his past. His last major wins over washed up fighters and a genuine hype job in Yuri Foreman.

    -More like 4 or 5 by my count.

    -Cotto was not the best fighter at LMW. :lol: He had just lost to Trout and May there.
     
  13. jonze86

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    GGG has started fighting in america.now he is starting to get hyped.Kovalev,Lomachenko,Beterbiev etc..

    Lots of talents,if they would be in european market.they all would be definetly less hyped.

    This happens in every weighclass almost where there is no top talent from america,or they don't fight in america.Wladimir is best example and the whole HW division
     
  14. jonze86

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    :good

    Don't forget the demolition of highly proven Rodriquez,golden ticket to earn MW title shot :rofl
     
  15. acie2g

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    Cotto just fought Martinez, Trout & Mayweather basically back to back when GGG fights anywhere close to that tough a schedule then we can talk about guys taking time off. Cotto probably did get the Martinez fight due to name that isn't new either if you go through Cotto's resume you can see why at this point he's no longer fighting 3/4 times a year, GGG is nowhere near that point. Also speaking of paper titlist how did GGG get his belt again.