Ali's Power ..

Sarcasm?

 

No they wouldn't. The glass chinned bum Spinks (career 26-17 8 KO losses) would never be qualified enough to earn a title shot against Wladimir.

 

Let's also remember that Ali was literally as exhausted like Joe ... in my view it was not exactly a "normal" stoppage, it was more like a mutual gradual demolishion work: both guys literally melted themselves, but Joe melted just a little bit more :!:

 

I gotta agre that Ali is somewhere in the upper half of a "punching power scale": pretty decent, but away of the top. Where guys like Foreman, Shavers or Tyson would be 10, Ali would probably would be rated 7 or 6.

My impression is that most of his "marque" stoppages where the logical outcome of a combination of several factors, with ALi's decent punching power coming just like one additional element to Ali's supperior endurance, smart gameplan, etc.

One good example is TRITJ, Ali defeated Foreman mainly thanks to his smart gameplan and ALSO to his incredible resilence... punching power comes like a lesser, very lesser third factor

 

so Ali's power's never been questioned before or did liston dive is marciano
Overrated ????

 

not but of course, Wladmir fights an amazing array of great like Leapai, Mormeck, Ray Austin ....

oh and by the way, did i mention Ross Purrity? The guy who had 12 losses at the time and knocked Wladmir out.

 

I would give Ali 6/10 just a bit below Holmes and Norton.

 

Those were Wlad's weaker title challengers and they were still worlds more talented and accomplished than Leon Spinks.

1. Purrity fight happened 16 years ago many years before Wlad's championship prime.
2. Purrity didn't knock him out, it was a trainer stoppage after Wlad made the rookie mistake of not pacing himself when he was pounding on Purrity's granite noggin for 10 rounds.
Wlad has never been stopped of his feet, only 1 stoppage loss directly attributable from opponent's punches.

Mike Tyson on the other hand has been stopped 5 times(2 times more than Wlad in 7 less career fights) and knocked out for a count of 10 on a few occasions, stopped by featherfists(Douglas 54% KO, Blown up cruiser Holyfield 51% KO, Williams 49% KO) and has quit on his stool like a coward from the dreadful bum Kevin Mcbride who had been KO'd by Louis Monaco.

 

Purrity was on the end of that pounding. Shouldn't he have been the one to fall and not Wlad?
Purrity to this day is better than Wlad and that is fact.

How would todays Wlad do any better. He couldn't beat him giving it his all. How would throwing less punches do the job?
What sort of ******ed logic is that.
He needed that work rate to keep Purity off him. By reducing it , Purrity grinds him down even earlier.

There is no excuse for punching yourself out as if the other guy had nothing at all to do with it.

Should we give Eubank Jr a pass next month if he loses to BJS because he never fought 12 rounds before?

Why didn't Larry Donald gas out in his 16th fight against Bowe. Wlad just isn't that good. Nobody will remember this bum in 10 years.

 

As has often been said,Ali may not have had a single home run punch but could still hurt.

 

I disagree with this.

There are nations that require citizens to serve in the military. I doubt that any ratings body would strip a fighter of his world title if he chose not to serve in his country's military and wanted to relocate to another country.

For example, if a Russian boxing phenom became a champion and decided he'd rather stay in the United States rather than serve in the Russian military, I doubt the WBA would strip him for that decision.

The WBA did it in Ali's case because its leadership was based in the United States at the time, and they were a bunch of old white men who agreed with the government. The rest of the world didn't care one way or another whether Ali served in the U.S. military.

Ali could've fought anywhere else in the world during his exile, but the U.S. government also took away his passport so he couldn't leave.

 

It was criminal preventing him from plying his trade. Taking his passport away was particularly spiteful

 

I can see why the government took his passport away. It was a crime to refuse induction.

If Ali would've left the country prior to his induction, refused to attend the ceremony, and opted to defend his title around the world ... and the WBA stripped him ... its actions would be viewed more clearly.

A real "world" body wouldn't have voted that way. But the WBA was essentially a U.S.-centered organization at the time. It wouldn't be for much longer, but it still was then.

 

Ali was not the martyr he is being made out to be.
During the Vietnam era, the US government granted Conscientious Objector status to thousands of young men who applied for it. If Ali had kept his mouth shut, it would have been granted to him, also.

One of the requirements was that a man had to morally oppose all wars, not just some wars.

Ali repeatedly and publicly stated that he would fight in a war if it was declared by Elijah Muhammad. This negated his claim to legal objector status.

He did it to himself. He wanted the publicity and he got it.

 

Billb, fight a foreign war abroad, whilst your people are getting there skulls cracked in the usa? Good logic man!! How, many of those rich kids ran away form service again?