HBO needs to STOP with the false advertising, GGG is *not* the 160 champ

I don't care about them. I am just saying Cotto is the MW Champion even if he isn't the best MW out there.

Geale wasn't the next best MW but he was a legit top 5 MW.

 

"They must find it difficult...those who have taken authority as the truth, rather than truth as the authority"

 

I think Canelo is a better fight, after him Golovkin should be getting a shot though.

 

-Doubtful. He was removed completely from the top 10 by 1997, Foreman made himself irrelevant and was treated as such. We know the RING title doesn't always recognize lineal such as when they crowned Roy Jones when Gonzales was lineal.

-I disagree. "True Champion" is subjective. Foreman was lineal. Holyfield was recognized. Gonzales was lineal, Roy Jones was recongized.

 

No you aren't really following what I'm saying. Had the ring still recognised champions they would have kept Foreman at the top. He wasn't one of the best ten heavyweights but he was the man who had beaten the last reigning champion.

A true champion is the man who beat the last true champion. We can debate who the best MW is although we probably agree on our individual choices which would make such a debate pointless. What there is no debate about it is that Cotto is the man who beat Martinez.

 

I give GGG some credit for Geale that is the only current or former Champ GGG has ever fought but who is Geale. right now at 160 it's maybe 2 prime fighter there right now the rest are guys on the wrong side of 30 nearing the end of there career. You honestly won't know how good he actually is until a new crop of guys come up.

the only people with HOF level talent in or around there prime near his weight class are Ward & Canelo we already know he's ducking Ward to an extent, and Canelo is fighting "The Champ" in Cotto both have said they have no problem fighting GGG. From the looks of it he will get his chance to prove himself soon enough if he fights the Cotto-Canelo winner we'll see where he is.
I'm a fight fan I base my opinion on who they fight when GGG beats someone worthy I'll praise him like I do others, take Canelo for example he beat Trout, challenged Mayweather, beat Lara, and is taking on Cotto he's earned my respect through the fight's he took and won. when he was fighting GGG's level of comp I didn't give him credit.

 

-I'm following what you are saying and I disagree. It's doubtful they would have still recognized him as Ring Champion if they had that distinction in the 90s, and I have outlined why I feel that way.

-No you have described "lineal" which does not translate to "true"

 

Plenty of champs in history have been **** champs, it's part and parcel. Not one person would have sane rated Serrano over Arguello but he was the man who was champion. The ring didn't strip champions and had their policy remained there is no reason for them to change that. If anything the prestige of being champ would have made a fight more likely to take place between Tyson and Foreman or between Jones and DM.

Lineal is my definition of a true champ. Like most things it is subjective though. That's why I crave the one belt era again.

 

-Speculative. They change their policy when suited.

-A One Belt system would only matter if the Champion is forced to defend against the top contenders a reasonable number of times. A Champion sitting on the title or facing non-contenders would not do anybody any good.

 

They changed it after Golden Boy bought them out. Their policy was stable for man many years.

The way UFC do it is ideal imo.

 

-We know had they brought the belt policy back in 1997, they would have likely crowned Holyfield and ignored Foreman's lineal claim as they did with the Light Heavies in 2003..long before Goldenboy.

-One thing they do right.

I do suspect that if Cotto or Canelo gives up the WBC belt, they will recognize Triple G if he wins it, rather Cotto or Canelo continue to occassoinally fight at MW catchweights or not. We'll see.

As for the topic at hand. Triple G is the #1 160 lbers. There is doubts if Cotto will continue to actively fight as MW Champion. It may be promotional to bill him as such, but its not completely inaccurate until Cotto decides what he wants to do.

 

Had they brought it back there is no doubt it would have gone to the winner of Holy Tyson... I'm saying had the policy never ceased.

The monoply they have is good for the sport, maybe not the fighters but the holistic overview is as close to perfect as contact sport has seen.

HBO summed it best in their promo. Golovkin is the consensus best, Cotto is the reigning champ. If the WBC is vacated I agree Golovkin should be the man when he fights whoever for the belt.

 

Ok, that is reasonable. No argument there.

 

So who is the middleweight champion?

Jermain Taylor who beat an average sam soliman for the IBF?

Peter Quillin who vacated his belt instead of fighting his mandaory?

Danny Jacobs? . . .. no

Miguel Cotto? The guy who wants to fight 147/154 fighters instead of fighting a healthy middleweight without injury?

Like it or not GGG is the Middleweight champion and the man at the weight