If Marciano had carried on, how much longer would he have ruled?

talk about desperate, Marshall weight 180lbs he had been Ko'd by Harold Guss, Bob Baker,Embrell Davidson and lost to Harold Johnson and Toxie Hall

The best win Sonny had was over Floyd then Big Cat and possibly Machen and you have him on your shrine at home. Sonny was my favorite fighter when I was a kid but the Ali fights ruined it for me. Floyd was frozen 2X Machen did worse against INGO and Big Cat was KO'd before by Satterfield, still a good scalp but I dont see Sonny's big win....maybe DeJohn but DeJohn was KO'd by Machen,Foley and Daniels

 

Liston is not and never has been my favourite fighter ,I'm just highlighting the blatant spin you have put on these fights.Marshall took out Bob Satterfield in 2 rds two fights after he fought Liston.
Marshall beat a 7 fight Liston on a freak result because of the broken jaw.9 months later, a 9 fight Liston floored him 7 times for a 6rd stoppage.

They fought again when Liston was 13-1-0 over ten rounds the first was even ,Liston won the next nine!


That put the record straight vis a vis Liston v Marshall.
I'll ask again :

IN WHAT ROUND DID MARSHALL FLOOR LISTON?

 

A story by Mike Casey below and mentioned many times on ESB


http://www.boxing.com/jack_the_rippers_dead_sonny_liston.html

quote Mike Casey "Sonny had his jaw fractured early in his career by Marty Marshall and got decked by Marshall in their second fight. Like any other fighter, Liston knew he could be hurt. Too often, he didn’t take some of the chances he could have for fear of being decked. Even a flash knockdown would have seriously dented his image of the indestructible beast."



Marshall's best win was over Bob Satterfield but he also lost to Bob S in the rematch. Prior to fighting Sonny MM was KO d by 11 fight Harold Guss, 10 fight Bob Baker, Embrell Davidson 2X and my POINT was to counter what you said how valiant Sonny was to fight to the distance, my point was Marshall was already KO'd in 4 of his 5 losses before he fought Sonny so I am sure the undefeated Sonny felt he could do what the other prospects did before him and I think Marshall fought south of 180lbs on a few occasions

 

good story by the way

 

I've demonstrated that Liston battled through injury and adversity in two separate fights ,once with a jaw broken in two places and once with a broken nose.
Many if not most fighters would have quit under those circumstances.
Liston did not.

I've shown that a novice Liston absolutely creamed Marshall in the rematch, flooring him 7times in 6 rds .
I've shown that in their last fight Marshall did not win a round!

You , on the other hand have produced Jack ****!
All you have done,in a desperate attempt to shore up your agenda laden
argument ,is presume to interpret Liston's motives and state of mind in those fights.

Marshalls credentialls are neither here nor there,simply because it was a fluke injury result which their two subsequent fights emphatically confirmed was a unique one off.

If this wasn't so blatanty,absurdly,hilarious,it would be criminally dishonest.

Please keep the argument coming I told you you'd find out how much I can take and dish out.

You've just been comprehensively outclassed.

The referee has intervened to save you from more punishment,and more humiliation.

I avidly await thrashing you again.

:bbb Your "Bad Day At Black Rock",s here in perpetuity!

ps Mike Casey lives about 30 minutes from me.
This is what happened Marshall caught Liston of balance, hit him with a shot and Liston's glove touched the canvas, for a flash knockdown.

Read and learn:

"He's tough. thats one thing nobody can deny about that man. He hurts when he breathes on you."- Marty Marshall


"Im sorry to this day about knocking him down. Man, Am I sorry. He hit me after that like-nobody should be hit like that. I think about it now and I hurt. He came out after me in the fifth round. He hit me with a right hand on my ear. It didnt knock me out, and it didnt knock me down, but it hurt so much I just had to go down anyway. The next round he knocked me down 3 times. He hit me in the stomach with a left hand in the sixth. That wasnt a knockdown either. It couldnt be. I was paralysed. I just couldnt move, I couldnt move enough to fall down. that was it."- Marty Marshall

 

Where is this written at? A short right put Liston down for a genuine knockdown.


Clay was not, however, the first man to knock Liston down. In a fight on April 21, 1955 in St. Louis, Marty Marshall dropped Liston with a punch remarkably similar to the one Clay used (SI, Feb. 10, 1964). "In the fifth round," the account goes, "Marshall slipped a Liston jab to the outside and crossed a right to Sonny's jaw, à la Max Schmeling when he knocked Joe Louis down in 1936. The result was the same. Liston went down." He got up, too, with no more intention of quitting than he had against Clay, and he knocked Marshall out a round later.

http://www.si.com/vault/1965/06/07/607743/a-quick-hard-right-and-a-needless-storm-of-protest

From The Devil and Stonny Liston

"Marshall knocked him down.... For all that, Sonny would never admit to his having been momentarily felled while off guard. "I just don't know why he wouldn't remember that,"Marshall would say,"Everybody remembers. It was in the papers."

 

Shirley Povich interviewed Marshall as part of the build up for the first Liston Ali fight.Marshall said it was a left hand that floored Liston.
By all accounts it was a flash knockdown and Liston was up at one.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?n...UcyAAAAIBAJ&sjid=4uUFAAAAIBAJ&pg=7228,4367237

I'll look for more confirmation I know both Suzie Q and The Great A said it was a flash knockdown with only Liston's glove touching the canvas.

TheGreatA
07-09-2010, 01:06 PM
"He was also briefly down against Marty Marshall early on in his career, with Liston's glove touching the canvas. It was not said to be a serious knockdown"

 

Not sure what to think of that, Marshall just sounds like he's clowning around and talking ****. "Shake the hand that broke Sonny Liston's jaw." The SI article at least offers a credible detailed description.

I have not founding anything stating Liston was up at "one" or how long he was even down for. But every claim so far describes Liston as being decked or knocked down, no mention of a glove touch.

 

you are legend in your own mind and that is where it exists, even after being thrashed and pummeled by me and others consistently and Mongoose just slayed you again

 

No legend.
I'm an average poster,one that does not lie ,one who makes an effort to provide a primary source to back up his posts.

You are a Remora fish,swimming along in the wake of others,feeding off scraps.

Mongoose produced a quote from a book that has no providence behind it at present.he may provide same later, at least he tries.
I produced an interview with the protagonist [Marshall] that directly contradicts what Borges says.


You produced NOTHING.

I was rude to you,and it was entirely intentional, because I want you to know exactly where you are with me.
. You ****ed up and I'm putting my foot on your throat at every opportunity.

 

On a side note, what if Marciano had livers to a ripe old age?

He would have been a commentator and observer, through the 70s, 80s, 90s and perhaps beyond.

Which champions would he have rated, and which would he have been critical of?

Which champions would he have formed friendships with?

There was already a mutual respect developing between him and Ali.

 

dont feel bad your are a slithering worm and you can be cyber tough guy and be rude. If you were standing next to me I can assure you that you would be at your British Best behavior and your best manners and verbiage would protrude from your toothless hole of a mouth.

 

Also an SI article that is the most detailed and reliable information on the Liston knockdown so far.

Marshall just claimed it was his left hand which wasn't the arguing point. It doesn't matter if it was his left hand, right hand, you have yet to produce anything that states Liston was off balance and his glove touched. Marshall still claims to have dropped him.

 

He was an excellent commentator.

It would have been nice,[ had he been granted the years he surely deserved,]to see him holding court at major fights,still freeloading off of various TV channels.
Of all those that met him I never read any of them saying he was anything but a regular guy.
The idea that he would be intimidated by anyone seems totally absurd to me.

 

Cyber tough guy?
Whose the one posturing and beating his chest from the safety of his keyboard? ?
You can assure me?
I've had more fights than you've had hot dinners sunshine.

You've lost the plot,I knew it wouldn't be long before you did.

Well get ****ing used to it.,it's going to be a regular occurence from now on.

ps . You left out my age and I have all my teeth.

I'm polite to those who treat me the same and to those I respect .

Not to scumbags who accuse me of being racist,and whose opinion I value as much as dog **** on my shoe. Now run along Dummy Davis.