Why did RJJ duck Michalczewski and how did he justify it?

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    The funny thing is, the robbery in Seoul (which is not part of Europe for those of you who don't know) gave Roy the convenient excuse (and as I said earlier, a whole generation of American fighters) not to ever have to venture abroad, but Michalczewski won the lineal belt off of American Virgil Hill who had in turn won a close controversial SD over in Germany against German ''Golden Boy'' and huge favorite among the locals Henry Maske lol. Maske was idolized like a god over there, much more so than Pole Michalczewski. The people absolutely loved him.

    "The German boxing business really started in 1992 when my dad did the deal for [German boxer] Henry Maske with [TV channel] RTL," insists Kalle Sauerland, whose father Wilfred kept the business ticking over for 15 years before the Maske deal. "There are three people responsible for boxing in Germany: Wilfred Sauerland, Henry Maske and Hans Mahr of RTL because he took the risk and it looked like a risk at the time." Maske went on and had 12 world title fights between 1993 and 1996 and averaged 17.8m viewers, with a peak at 23m.

    "When Henry boxed it was like a national holiday," remembers Sauerland.

    Maske-Hill I would've been a draw had one of the judges scored it a point the other way but Hill still managed to win a close decision over the ridiculously popular Maske in Germany lol.

    I think Roy was more worried about failing the drug test over in Germany than anything else, and more importantly, he knew he wouldn't have the safety net of having it covered up and swept under the carpet like they tried to do back at home or be punished with a slap on the wrist in the event he did.
     
  2. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    You are being pretty hard on Roy here Serge.

    How do we know if it was a drug test more than the feeling of being robbed of an Olympic gold medal? I have been a Jones fan forever, and honestly believed he felt he would get robbed outside of the US. Especially against someone like DM, who would last the 12 rounds for sure.

    And it isn't like DM never showed any Hopkins like antics in a fight.
     
  3. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    So was Calzaghe a legitimate champ at 175 or not?


    Watch Joe.Zero, ESB's biggest ducker not answer the question.
     
  4. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Carl Frocth when competing in the super 6 said he would,have withdrawn from the tournament if he had to face Auther Abrham in Germany


    Or maybe Jones saw the fight between Rocchigiani where he watched Dm put on the acting performance of his life !

    Germany has had an infoumous history of robbing fighters so Jones had every right to be concerned about their corruption !
     
  5. Joe.Boxer

    Joe.Boxer Chinchecker Full Member

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    :rofl:lol:

    I've never ducked a single question on esb - and never will.

    Every time you ask your utterly ******ed question after your humiliating self-pwn - the very question which I schooled you ******s on in the first place, you will get your regular beatdown :D;

    Clueless "mind reading" vegetable "Mind Reader" is still hopelessly trying to ease his embarrassing self-pwnage & undo the huge knot he tied himself in by bizarrely pretending that Joe Calzaghe is my hero and pretending I'm ducking answering the very thing I've been schooling minions like him about for years (a simple search proves my pov on the lineage).

    Let's remind everyone and have our regular laugh at the incredibly dim-witted moron known as "Mind Reader";

    After educating posters for years on the meaningless JOKE and DISASTER that The Ring light-heavyweight title has been upon its return, this stupid FOOL Mind Reader randomly "queries" my mentioning of this (immediately after being butt-hurt in one of his many defeats to me), in some pitiful transparent cringeworthy attempt at a loaded question - just because Joe Calzaghe ending up holding the The Ring title.

    WTF? His mind really is that simple :lol:

    I don't know who the f*ck this fool thought he was talking to (probably another deluded stuttering back-peddling fanboy like himself and Loudunce), but the stupid ******* actually admitted he pathetically tried to "set me up" and "expose" some imaginary "biased agenda", then was FOOLISH enough to actually continue with his ******ation even after being called out on it, and tried to claim I "didn't mean to say it", "bet I would take it back if I could", and believe it or not, "dug" something for myself.

    The stupid ******* thought I was suddenly going to do a complete f*cking U-turn and contradict everything I've ever said about The Ring title - just because Joe Calzaghe ending up holding it :lol::patsch

    Talk about irony. What an absolutely clueless self-pwning MORON. Comedy GOLD!

    The hilarious thing is, after the endless schoolings this ****** has received - this spastic is a far bigger Calzaghe fan than I am.

    Complete simpleton Mind Reader will never get out of this mess he's got himself in without trying to figure the lineage out himself - only I know that he's too much of a coward, because it's him who's the clueless fanboy - of Roid Jones of course - who exposed his own biased agenda :deal.

    You completely hung yourself and exposed what a true idiot you are by trying to question me in the first place. You were completely out of your depth and you know it.

    "Mind Reader" = the most stupid, simple-minded, biggest FOOL on esb. Laughing stock.

    Sorry "Mind Reader", but you're genuinely just too stupid to debate any of this stuff. Your **** posts and dumb "opinions" are worthless irrelevant drivel. From now on you will get a straight copy & paste beatdown.

    Mind Reader - I am now renaming you BLIND Reader - because you're so f*cking stupid you never see whats right in front of you :deal.
     
  6. plank46

    plank46 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    never once seen dariusz. he was never shown on american tv. jones sure had no inclination to fight him though.
     
  7. Joe.Boxer

    Joe.Boxer Chinchecker Full Member

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    I love how worthless irrelevant simpleton BLIND Reader read my devastating list of irrefutable facts, replied with a random line about hate because he had no answer, then realized he couldn't take the butt-hurt so replied to it a second time - again with no answer to the facts - but asking for his regular beatdown instead :lol::lol::lol::patsch.
     
  8. boxeo#1

    boxeo#1 Boxer-Puncher banned

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  9. Alien

    Alien Chin Scholar Full Member

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    To Say Michalcz was "fairly stripped" is ludicrous.

    Fact is he was the man.. If Wlad gets stripped of 2 of his belts for some bogus reasons... and Stiverne picks them up... Wlad is STILL THE MAN.. don't you understand this?
     
  10. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    Exactly, he was never given a fair opportunity to hold onto the titles by facing his mandatories. The belts mean nothing if you don't beat the clear established champion, it's why Tyson had to fight Spinks, it's why Frazier had to fight Ali. Holding the belts isn't enough.

    Can you imagine if Frazier had never fought Ali having picked up the stripped titles? He would have been seen as a paper champion who avoided the real champion, fighting good opposition before being exposed by Foreman who he himself would go on to lose the the real champion in Zaire.
     
  11. AnotherFan

    AnotherFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    For those who fallowed the sport at the time it was common knowledge Jones was making his life as easy as possible. The sports journalists where actually on his ass. Check this video out. It should clear up a thing or two:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G0Erh4RKbHE
     
  12. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Everyone considered DM to be the man he should fight, but despite DM being lineal champ noone considered him the top dog.
     
  13. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Hill clearly won the fight. The controversy really should be of about how close the judges had it.
     
  14. general zod

    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    Giving any fighter a long term contract with the opponents to be named at a later point is a really bad business model, which is why the networks no longer do it.
     
  15. sofanii

    sofanii Active Member Full Member

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    Think both avoided each other, Michalczewski wanting to fight in Germany and Jones in USA, neither wanted to risk it.
    In my eyes Jones definitely was the better, great reflexes, Michalczewski a more preasure fighter punching combinations.