Why did RJJ duck Michalczewski and how did he justify it?

Carl Froch also said this. :hey

Froch was left shattered when Jones career ended in shame as a drugs cheat. The Brit said: I was very, very annoyed. I put him on a pedestal. Unbeaten, a super-middleweight moving up to heavyweight and winning world titles.

Pound of pound the best at the time, no one could hit him, he could punch, he could box, he could do everything and usually did in the ring.

He hardly ever lost a round and then to find out he was cheating on drugs was quite devastating because I was a massive fan.

You look back and you think was he that good or was he given an extra boost by something else?

Were drugs giving him thee edge on his way to the top? Was it giving him the edge in hand speed, was it meaning he could go 12 rounds easy?

Some of his fights were close late on. The guys he was fighting were looking tired and he was still looking sharp was that down to drugs?

If he was still sharp because he was cheating, then that is unfair because you never know he might have come unstuck in those final two or three rounds.

You mean the one where Dariusz was facing another drug cheat like your idol who was actually suped-up on ephidrene in that fight?

But I thought Roy wanted to fight B-Hop again back then too, right?

Or maybe Roy didn't want to travel over there because he was worried that he might

A. Actually have to take the test.
B. That he might fail it if he did.
C. That the Germans wouldn't have been quite so eager to try and sweep it under the carpet for a foreigner and pretend like nothing happened if his test result came back dirty like they did back at home.

I don't think it's reputation was as bad back then as you're trying to make out. And America is as bad as anywhere when it comes to robberies, although for some strange inexplicable reason there's a contingent of your lot who seem to believe that that only happens in other countriers. lol

Michalczewski actually fought over in the US as an amateur. He lost 3-0 (as in all 3 rounds) in a fight where he looked to have clearly won, at worst, at least one of them. I seem to recall thinking he was unlucky not to come away with the win.

Roy fought over in Europe a few times as an amateur too. He was 1-2 - IIRC one was a 5-0 loss to a Soviet fighter), he scored a win against a Swede in Sweden, and a stoppage loss to an Irish fighter in Ireland. He also lost 4-1 to a German in Havana, Cuba in the World Junior Championships too.

 

I've not seen it for probably at least a decade but I remember thinking it was close at the time. But Hill still managed to get the decision over the insanely popular Maske in Germany. Julio Cesar Gonzalez managed to do the same against Michalczewski over there too. Michalczewski was unbeaten going into that one. In fact, had he won he would've equaled Rock Marciano's 49-0 unbeaten streak, so there was a lot riding on that fight too.

 

We don't know, mate. Maybe he did feel he would get robbed. Maybe it was for the reason I put forth. Either way, Michalczewski had just as much reason to be concerned about getting robbed over in the US as Roy did and that shouldn't be conveniently ignored (I'm not accusing you of doing that by the way). :good

 

Incidentally, I remember reading that there was talk of a Henry Maske-Roy Jones showdown at one point, don't know if there's any truth to it though.

Roy actually said Maske would be a difficult fight for him.

Here's a post where Iceman John Scully mentions it.

'Henry Maske was a VERY good boxer who is unappreciated here because he fought always in Germany. He was world amateur champ and the 1988 Olympic Golde Medalist. He made ten title defenses and defeated Prince charles Williams to capture the title in theifrst place. He was 6 ft 3 or maybe even slightly taller. great discipline, jab etc. Even Roy Jones when he was in his prime said maske would be a very difficult fight.'

 

Yes I know they tested him for SOME of his fights after that. I remember reading that as part of his punishment (or rather the little slap on the wrist he got given) he had to agree to send his next two pre-fight drug tests to the Indiana commission. However, to the best of my knowledge I don't think he was being tested at all before that fight (for over the first decade of his career).

According to Clinton Woods neither he nor Roy were tested for their fight either, which is mind boggling considering that it was only a few years earlier Roy's test result came back dirty. Why didn't they test him then?

'Former IBF light heavyweight champion Clinton Woods says he’s not surprised that former opponent Antonio Tarver and other prominent American boxers are testing dirty. “I fought in America three times and the testing situation was always joke,” Woods told the Sheffield Star. “In three fights, I had one little test and was told it was only for marijuana. It’s always annoyed me how rife American boxing is with drugs and steroids, but at least they are cracking down on it now and people are being caught. The trouble is that people there will only get fined pocket money.”

On the loss to Tarver, Woods stated: “Did he have steroids in him when we boxed? I wouldn’t know. But in fairness he didn’t beat me because of anything like that, I just underperformed.

“I’d like to see random tests to keep everybody clean. No decent boxer would argue with that,” he added.

''Me and Roy Jones didn't even get drug tested after the fight''

I think it's certainly plausible. Your version is Roy didn't want to Germany because he was scared of getting robbed even though he'd seen his fellow countryman and former KO victim Virgil Hill go over there (2 fights prior to when he fought him) and get awarded the decision in a unification match up against Maske who was more popular among the locals than a pint of beer and football. They didn't refer to Maske as the ''German Michael Jordan'' for no reason. Like I said, his popularity in his homeland was absolutely insane, but Hill still managed to get the decision over him in evil old Deutschland

I didn't say steroids work miracles. I've read enough of your comical ''steroids and PEDs are basically placebos'' posts in the past to realize how completely pointless it is wasting any time trying to wrench your head out of Roy's ass in order to try and convince you otherwise. They're called performance enhancing drugs for a reason and it's for that very reason why athletes take them.

You're putting words in my mouth and then laughing at something I never even said lol. When exactly did I say these things? Show me please?

And again, they don't call them performance enhancing drugs for no reason. They might not turn a tortoise into a greyhound, but as much as it pains you to admit it, and it clearly does, they can and do help to enhance both athletes and their performances and give them unfair advantages.

The fact that Roy still wanted to cheat when he was already blessed with so much natural talent and ability only makes it even worse, IMO. And it's obvious to anyone with a brain (anyone who's not a member of the RJ wanking appreciation society) he was on steroids throughout his best years.

Why do you Jones nuthuggers always carry on like Roy is the only one who is affected by wear and tear and the ageing process? His rivals are completely immune to such things though. Michalczewski was well past his best by the time he lost to Gonzalez. He only fought once more after that. He was a very aggressive fighter who absorbed tons more punishment and cumulative damage throughout his career than Roy ever did during the course of his. He was also a notorious party animal and playboy outside of the ring too.

When Roy loses it's because he was ''shot'' or because his punch resistance disappeared over night, but his rivals are always smack bang in the midst of their prime right up until they hang their gloves up. lol

And the Germans didn't rob Gonzalez when he went over to Germany either. Hill and Gonzalez both went over there and came back victorious but Roy wouldn't even entertain the idea of going over there.

No, not right. Completely wrong in fact. The point I was trying to make obviously flew right over your head. Go back and read again.