Better Fighter: Marciano or Frazier?

My pick is Marciano because he had two fisted power,Frazier's right hand was an effective tool but it did not carry the power that Rocky had in his secondary gun,his left hook.I also think Marciano hit harder with his right than Frazier did with his left and had a better chin.
Frazier had better handspeed was more accurate and did not cut ,but he lumped up badly and that can be just as bad.

Frazier was probably the more polished of the two , but Rocky is the winner for me.
It would have been a great tear up.

 

Ultimate Dream fight imo, i think Rocky wins based on his superior punching power.
Rocky was also the better fighter, he was more powerful, physically stronger and could take a punch as well as anyone.

 

good analysis, if they met it would be a war for several rounds, fast pace picking up steam but Marciano had 2 KO hands Frazier had that potent hook. I like the Marciano right hand to make the difference here. As far as who was the better fighter Frazier said only 2 fighters would beat him Louis and Marciano (respect) Ali said he felt Marciano was better than Frazier and I rate Marciano higher but this fight would not be easy for anyone.

 

Take Marciano in this one...as much as I like Frazier...The Rock with heavy two-fisted power...so strong...great chin...beats Joe...

 

This is one where my 'eras' theory is tested. Not a lot of years between the two of them. I want two beers and two hotdogs ringside for this one!

 

Obviously the first to land a series of killer punches takes it. 50/50 in my opinion.

There is a chance that Joe could cut Rocky's face up

 

Regarding chin IDK who had a better chin.
Markegiano was floored by lighter hitting (respectively) fighters than those whom Floored Frazier.

Marchegiano was floored by well done versions of Cream and Wright, especially Cream.
Frazier was floored by prime versions of Foreman and Bonavena .
Bonavena also floored Gregorio Peralta whom was a superb underrated durable fighter and also arguably/possibly floored George Chuvalo twice so I guess he could punch harder than Archie Wright.

So IDK where the notion of Rocco had a better chin comes from.
Regarding punching power
Frazier fought "Rocco era" sized opponents in Doug Jones and Jimmy Ellis. Quarry may qualify for as such too.
Against them he did not win as conclusively as Rocco did, however despite their size they were not as old and damaged as Rocco's opponents, but Rocco might have punched harder.

Regarding defense I suppose Rocco's might had been better.

Regarding speed I think Frazier was faster.

Rocco was a dirty fighter but Frazier was not a clean fighter himself (i.e George Chuvalo) and won twice due to cuts vs Quarry and once due to cuts vs Stander.

Frazier's opposition was superior h2h, but/and he was less convincing against it in terms of net/sheer performance.

I believe that if swapped, Rocco would have fared worse than Frazier did, but Frazier would have fared at least as well.

It means that h2h I think Frazier was better.
P4p, it gets closer and IM less certain about who takes it.
In terms of wins record I think Frazier's is somewhat better.
Rocco did not have the losses Frazier had, but it is only due to him never fighting comparable fighters to those that beat Frazier and I consider the 1st Bonavena vs Frazier fight as win for Bonavena while not sure if Frazier even won the 2nd (I watched both)

 

Hello 49-0, Your post is identical,. cut & pasted from Duggerman's Ranch. Yet it is a good analysis!

I have never heard Frazier doubted as beating Bonavena the 2nd time!

Though the assessment seems sound overall.
An argument can be made either way. I will say that the big difference in speed & accuracy would likely mean more than the better 2 handed power.

 

The better Fighter overall was Marciano.

But if these 2 met it would be all Frazier. Despite the similarities in the fighters and their styles ( puncher/swarmer) they were significantly different in how they did it.

If Marciano had a weakness it was starting out slow. Frazier was faster and would catch Marciano early. Rocky had a great recovery but could be dropped. ( Moore/Louis) Both of those two nailed Rocky early and so would Frazier. Frazier hit harder than them as well. I think rocky gets up and makes it a fight.

But another thing than clinches this forFrazier is the aggressiveness. Rocky might finish Joe at any moment as he is coming in, but there is one overlooked fact about Rocky that will hurt him in this fight. Rocky always dictated the PACE of the fight eventually. He would slow it down and turn into a brawl. But against Joe there is no slowing down. As one poster stated earlier. Joe had one pace, in your face.

So in this fight I just never see Rocky getting control enough to impose his will, or to back Frazier up. I don't think he could get set on his punches enough to finish Joe. Both Joe and Rocky could go down, both would get up, neither would quit, but Rocky would get out swarmed by the best swarmer of them all.


If there is a re match, I would take Rocky as I think it would take Peak Frazier to beat Rocky, and it would be beaten out of him by Rocky in the first one.

 

Ali always said Rocky was better.

 

Frazier easy

 

Hard to say... I can't see Marciano beating Muhammad Ali but then again I can't see Joe Frazier lasting to 49-0 regardless of what era he may have fought in. Its up in the air for me.

 

There was no doubt Frazier won the second Bonavena fight,in my mind,Frank. The first one was debatable. Certainly a good case for 'Ringo'

 

Both are getting underrated significantly today.

We have had two dominant champions who were super heavyweights, in close proximity, and that means that the swarmers are getting squeezed.