Wlad is already comparable to Liston or Holmes

The thing to remember about Sonny is that the sooner he gets a title, the sooner he'd become unraveled.

His resume is what it is precisely because he had to destroy a good chunk of the active top 10 heavyweights before he got his championship opportunity. He responded by not training, overlooking opponents, and probably throwing at least one fight. He gets a pass for it today because the heavyweight that made him pay was Ali, but that slacker attitude is what breeds upsets to a fighter you shouldn't lose to.

To pretend Liston ever had the mindset for a title reign like Holmes or Wlad is an insult to the dedication it takes to stay on top while a division is gunning for you. The best that could've happened for Sonny's career is if Patterson kept ducking him and he wound up facing a still-green Clay as the challenger, not the champion.

 

How do you explain Ingemar Johannson?

 

There is one huge difference when comparing.neither Holmes or Liston had huge advantages over all opponents,neither where scared to engage,both where nailed with bombs and fought in wars and both can be classed as warriors,be truthful,can wlad be classed as a warrior ?

 

I think "Lipton" and Larry are ****ing overrated.
To me Larry created a "fantastic" 0-6 against his 5 best
opponents(Spinks beat him two times,the inexperienced
21 years old Tyson destroyed him,Holyfield,McCall,Nielsen
beat him.
Honoreble mention the mediocre Snipes knocked him down.
His Norton and Witherspoon wins were close.
Mercer is overrated .
Cooney was hard puncher. That's all.
Shavers. Another mediocre hard puncher.
Holmes never was undisputed champion.

I think "Liptons' " carrier is the most overrated ever.
He beat an incredible glass-chinned,fragile,skinny and mediocre
Patterson two times.His every other win was crap.
Ali humiliated him.And two total bums beat him .
I don't know what was so amazing in Liston.

 

Lennox wasn't respected properly for one reason. He was a BRIT!!!!!! If he was a US heavy oh how different it would have been Lennox was best HW champ since Ali

 

A Wladimir thread?!?!??? I only have one thing to say...

LET'S GO CHAMP!!!

 

Vlad is the best heavyweight in the world today. Look at Wilder and Stivern run from him.

 

The win over Patterson all alone shits on every win Wladimir has and will have. I'm a Klitschko fan but there's no denying the division is rubbish. You sure as hell won't see Cruiserweights trash talking their ways to a title shot back in Liston's days.

 

do you know the difference between opinion and fact ????
that is your OPINION little one considering there has never been a league so no one rates higher than anyone else.

all subjective opinions,

fyi: wlad would utterly annihilate any HW up to and through th 80's and most likely 90's.

proved he can and did through the 2000's. only fighter this wlad has major problems with and prob loses 2 out of 3 is vs THE GREATEST H2H HW EVER IN LL

 

what does that have to do with anything ?

 

:roflatsch

 

Americans defending their heroes again.of course this is weakest era ever in HW,just look at the rankings.

Top5 Klitschko,Pulev,Povetkin,Stiverne,Fury.(ring rankings)

No americans?of course this era has to suck.these americans products are so overhyped it's almost comical.they rate own heroes like those are somekind of superheroesand untouchable forces who crushes everybody on their way.

It's funny that american ATG HW'S mainly fight against other americans and earned their superhero status.before 90's and early 90's there were no Soviet based boxers in pro scene,all the greats were forced to stay amateurs.when soviet union crashed,amazingly top talent started to compete in pros.and now we have top 3 HW all based from former soviet nations.

Americans must be mad that great boxers come around globe now,and the competition is tougher in many ways.yes,we have great americans before and of course now.

Wlad is underrated if something,honestly i would be more interested to see Povetkin in the ring against Liston and Holmes.those would be interesting and close matches.

90's was great because americans had many fighters on top,now they don't so of course we are living in dark age in HW division.and this happens to be first era of when americans don't have many top rated fighters=boxing sucks now and don't have talent in HW.

Don't be suprised IF americans start to find succes again in HW,and it's then called another golden era or something.

and NO i don't say this ERA is golden era of HW.but i have just happen to open my eyes out of this bias towards americans and their hype.

Of course Liston and Holmes were great fighters.i don't deny that.

 

Patterson is way overrated,and was not even real HW.H2H i say Haye would EASILY beat Patterson.of course you deny that.and neither can proof they are right.

Povetkin,Pulev,Haye would all won the HW title in era of Patterson.and they would have been unstoppable forces probably.Liston would also probably tasted defeat(probably close fights),Ali would be first to school them.

Stop overrating your american heroes please.

Fighters from 50's and early days gets so many extra historical points it's almost ******.

 

This division is rubbish and you bring up a win over Patterson, one of if not the weakest HW champion in history? Good attempt at sarcasm.