Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

Nothing special about beating Eubank who was preparing to fight at LHW, and was given 11 days notice to prepare for fighting at SMW, which was a weight he hadn't made in a long time.

Nothing special about beating a guy who'd lost to Collins, who had to have injections in his bad knees, who was at the end of a hard career.

Are you going argue against the above?

It was nothing more than a good win.


If you think that Joe scraping past Hopkins was a big deal, you must think that Taylor and Dawson's wins over Hop were something special?

 

Couple posters from UK versus rest of the boxing world and historians

Saying Calzaghe is top 5ATG is almost same, as i think Robert Helenius is Top10 ATG HW(i'm Finnish)

 

lol all the issues about Taylor, Dawson, Calzaghes place in boxing etc have been addressed and the same sedated people keep bringing it up ignoring the points because they are irrefutable facts.

 

Beating an ATG who now moves on to create history is a big deal. And Calzaghe did it

I would just like to point out a serious mistake in the above post..

Calzaghe did NOT beat Bernard Hopkins legitimately He got a gift political decision

Thank you Please carry on

 

Why do I have a feeling you don't know anything about the history of American presidents?

 

Not sure who you are on about here? Cant recall writing sir Joe

 

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. I understand that Hopkins is an American legend that people want to see as an iconic figure. America love a reformist and Hopkins as a former armed robber turned world champ is just the story that wins Americas hearts but...

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1. Calzaghe landed more than 100 punches than Hopkins throughout the fight.
2. Contrary to what people want to believe, Calzaghe also made Hopkins miss more
3. All round punch percentages, Calzaghe finished ahead of Hopkins
4. Calzaghe outlanded Hopkins in every round
5. A Byrd who scored for Hopkins. Type in Adalaide Byrd in Google and see what comes up for yourself, still here are some little things for you to look at
a. A Byrd was the only judge out of the 3 scoring judges that had Mack ahead against Cloud
b. The K Pavlik - A Lopez fight was scored 98-92, 99-91 by the other 2 judges, A Byrd scored it 95-95
c. A Byrd was one of the judges that had Morales a 4 point loser against Maidana
d. In the S Aydin vs S Ouali fight, the other 2 judges scored clearly for Aydin. Byrd scored for Ouali
e. The J Almaraz/C Tyler fight was scored a Maj-Dec all because of one judge, guess which? A Byrd
f. The A DeMarco/J Reyes fight was a SD. Guess who the odd judge out was? A Byrd.
g. The R Torres - M Arnaoutis fight was a close fight, a point either way to 2 judges but a wide result scored by Byrd
h. In the A Pryor Jr/D Stanislavjevic SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd
i. The W Ferguson/J Lopez SD, guess who the odd judge out was? You guessed it... A Byrd

I think thats enough for you to get the picture with Byrd. Remember the other 2 judges scored clearly for Calzaghe

6. Calzaghe beat Hopkins in America, at a new weight with 3 American judges and Cortez as ref.
7. Calzaghe scored the single highest score card against Hopkins ever 116-111 at that time.
8. The 2 judges that scored for Calzaghe agreed on 9 of the rounds
9. Calzaghe landed more on Hopkins than anyone ever.




Now I know there will be a flood of people coming on here noting Hopkins scoring a flash KD in the first round, and I agree that Hopkins did win a few rounds even when he didnt land as often, but people are mad if they think Calzaghe won on workrate, Calzaghe won because he was able to land his left more often than Hopkins could land his right.
Calzaghe finished the stronger and took away the moments Hopkins likes down the stretch.
Other thoughts, If Hopkins thought he was winning, do you think he would have been looking for time out and would bother trying to get points deducted off of Calzaghe, of course he wouldnt, Hopkins knew he was losing.

What I do note is that nobody seems to mind Hopkins lost to Taylor. In the first Hopkins/Taylor fight, Jermaine was badly hurt and Hopkins looked the stronger at the end, yet it seems to upset alot of these people that Calzaghe beat Hopkins. Appears very biased.

 

No one's had a hissy fit.

But you NEVER allow for circumstances.


You don't allow for:

The manner of victory

The age of the fighters.

Weight

Injuries

Etc.


You only ever deal in stats.


What about Tito's MW career?

He beat a good fighter in Joppy with absolute ease, lost to Hop, then retired shortly after.

It's quality not quantity.

The fact that he was 28 and got rid of Joppy tells you he was a good MW.

He didn't need a ton of defences to prove it.

Guys move up all of the time.

You can't just dismiss the win because he used to be a WW.


Now look at the manner of Hop's win, and the fact that he was 36/37.


Yet you're telling me that it wasn't as good as Joe's win over a faded Eubank, who was underprepared, who had weight issues and bad knees, who hadn't made the weight in ages?

Seriously, what was great about that win??

Beating a faded fighter is not a great win.


What's so great about Kessler?

He was undefeated? Great!

Who'd he beaten?

Is he a GREAT fighter?

No he's not.

Nobody would ever call Kessler a great, elite fighter.

Joe beat him in a good, competitive fight.

He deserves credit.

But beating a very good fighter in a competitive fight, cannot be classed as great.


Now tell me what was great about beating a 43 year old Hopkins in a close decision?

It was a good win.

You can say it's very good if you wish.

But GREAT?

No.

How can he beat great, all things considered?

I've never heard anyone say that Dawson had a GREAT win over Hopkins.

I've never heard anyone say that Taylor had a GREAT win over him.

 

But made this time anyway. Looking at the fight makes it clear Eubank was not drained or had stamina issues.

Even the best boxer gets his ass kicked sometimes. Hopkins lost twice to Taylor who would get KTFO by AA. What does this tells us about Hopkins? Almost nothing.

Boxers fighting with injuries are common.

A past prime but still game HOF.

Taylor beating Hopkins twice was a big deal. Dawsons win over Hopkins was inferior to Calzaghes, since Hopkins was even older at the time.

I wouldn't quite say Calzaghe is a top 5 ATG, but there is a reason to why he was able to defeat HOF:s, ATG:s, undefeated prime title holders and never slipped up against more average boxers.

He was just one of those special fighters.

 

AnotherFan,

He was game yes.

Just like he was against Collins and Thompson.

But that doesn't alter the following facts. Not opinions, but facts:


1. He was at the end of his career.

2. He was preparing for another fighter.

3. He was preparing to fight at a higher weight.

4. He hadn't made SMW in a long time.

5. His knees were bad.

6. He only had 11 days to prepare to face another boxer who was a southpaw.

7. He had to drastically change his diet.

8. He said that his old trainer Ronnie Davies, would never have let take the fight had he still been with him.


What more do you want?

You're missing the point.

Joe who was 25, beat a faded Eubank to a decision.

Was that great?

Or was it good or even very good?

What was great about it?


What's your criteria for classing a win as being GREAT?

Of course.

But we're trying to determine whether the win in question was great or not.

Is a 25 year old beating a faded fighter, with bad knees, great?

I don't think it is.

So again, what's GREAT about beating a faded fighter?

Yes, Hopkins was older when he fought Dawson.

But by how many years?

Dawson had no trouble, yet Joe struggled.

But I'm not bothered, because neither wins were great.


Taylor definitely holds a better win over Hopkins, than Joe.

But would you honestly say they were great?

If you say no, then you can't say Joe's win was great.

The reason was because he was a very good fighter.

But get real.

A top 5 ATG?

It's embarrassing.

It's just absurd to even contemplate it.

Agreed.

But anyone who rates him top 5, hasn't got a clue.