Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

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  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Who was there for Joe to fight in America?
    Hatton had some big fights that could be made, Calzaghe only really had Hopkins and Jones and Hopkins backed out, as you probably know and Jones had a change of opinion. But other than Hatton fighting in the states, what do you feel he did that Calzaghe didnt to push for the Floyd fight? Do remember also Jones was at HW before Calzaghe beat Mitchell.
    Who was in America at SMW for Calzaghe? As said Brewer, Mitchell, Sheika were all beaten
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Dont try and compare Green/Jones to the fights we are talking. But still it was considered a good win for Green then.
    Still very different. Hopkins was a far bigger fighter naturally than Tito, with Tito not experienced at the weight and having been put down several times.

    Tell me why you rate the Hopkins win so much over Trinidad when you take into account the natural weight, the schooling, the knockdowns only recently before, the only one fight at the weight.

    Of course its relevant what happened recently.
    Tito goes up a weight and in 3 fights in the new previous weight gets put over in 2 of them and is then going up again and facing a massive MW who was 5 divisions higher on respective debuts, but you say its not relevant? :patsch
     
  3. The13thRound

    The13thRound Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If the money was there roy would have fought him but as over rated as joe was he wasn't the type of guy roy could have just blasted out of there it would have gone the distance.People misunderstand Joe Clazaghe he was one awkward unreadable boxer to fight just like Hopkins just difficult and awkward and spoils his opponents work and plans.
     
  4. Imperial1

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    Who was there for him to fight ? You said and he said he was chasing Jones .

    He apparently was chasing him for 6 yrs from the confort of his home :lol:

    Come on now he could have made the jump to lhw long before Jones was Ko ed ..

    Hatton went and did it why couldn't Joe if he was really serious ..
     
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    LondonRingRules Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Anglosaxon FASTEST HANDS ON ESB Full Member

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    The most annoying thing about Loudon isn't that he is dim and subjective where Calzaghe is concerned, it's more that he can't write in paragraphs or even sentences.

    Shows how out of touch this LondonRing guy is that he questions whether it's me or not, lolz.
     
  7. Imperial1

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    Yet ducked Froch when he was his mando so go figure
     
  8. larsker

    larsker Well-Known Member Full Member

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    :patsch
    If you subscribe to that nonsense then hypocrite Froch is ducking Degale.
     
  9. AnotherFan

    AnotherFan Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That also goes for Lewis when he ripped the face off one of the Klitschko brothers.

    He had tons of experience against just any type of fighter, and specifik research or training to prepare for Calzaghe would hardly be relevant.

    He showed out to have fine stamina at SMW.

    What does it mather? Some boxers move up and down in weight just fine.

    If we are to dismiss every fight where the loser had one injury or the other, we will have to dismiss a lot. Like I already pointed out and you already agreed: boxers fights with injuries all the time.

    Repeated argument. See above.

    Professionell sportsmen does that. I can't say for sure in the case of Eubank, but I doubt it was a big deal.

    Appearantly Eubank realised someone with the immense talent of Joe Calzaghe would be too much to handle. Understandable.

    Merely to point out that the win against Eubank was something special :good

    I'd say very good.

    I don't think a boxer must harvest "great" wins in order to aspire on greatness. Epic fights are something very rare, and requires legends available to have their arses kicked. That's not only a mather of boxing skills, but also of fame and recognition of the sport.

    You can become great on a basis of consistently having very good wins.

    I do hesitate to call Calzaghe great, because I feel his "I don't do rematches"-attitude is lame. He also ducked Glen Johnson due to lacking confidence, and in general bitched himself out of tough, risky fights like Froch and Pavlik. But you can clearly make a case of Calzaghe beeing an ATG if you want to. He was a dominant champ. He took out up and coming title holders such as Kessler and Lacy, as well as really big names like Hopkins and Eubank. He never lost. He entered the spotlights in Europé and in USA.

    Ask Lewis when he KO'd Tyson.

    Of course.

    Taylors accomplishments are dimmed by the fact that he was exposed over and over again later on. Pavlik KO'd him. Froch KO'd him. AA KO'd him.

    When not so good fighters defeat greats their wins does not become great. Nobody thinks Ross Purrity is great because he KO'd Wladimir Kliktschko. And then we have the fella that KO'd Lennox Lewis. Is he great? Of course not.

    More like very good. If Hopkins had been on the right side of the 40's and the fight had not been a complete stinker I would consider it to be great :bbb
     
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    plank46 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    damn, is any uk fighter in shape for a fight? you guys make the hood rats excuse making look pedestrian.
     
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    ribtickler68 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    105, maybe. And that's being incredibly generous. Joe wasn't an all time great and never will be. Only in this shitty era of split titles would he be undefeated(although Hopkins actually beat him).
     
  12. bailey

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    Hatton went and had many opponents, which is good for him.
    Calzaghe was calling for a Jones fight and called Jones out on the Tyson undercard, but Roy had other ideas at HW.
    So once again, who was there in America for Calzaghe to go over an face when Hopkins backed out of facing him in America and Jones went to HW. So who are all of these big SMW match ups? Just answer instead of saying he didnt fight in America. Ward hasnt fought a big fight in the UK, and that seems like where SMW is, even with Ward as a great undefeated talent
     
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    general zod World Champion Full Member

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    http://www.thefreelibrary.com/Boxing:+I'm+lord+of+the+Welsh+rings+says+Calzaghe.-a060444934
     
  14. Loudon

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    Eubank was a good name.

    He may have been the most accomplished SMW ever.

    But he hadn't been fighting at SMW, when he fought Joe.

    How hard is that to understand?
     
  15. Loudon

    Loudon Loyal Member Full Member

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    The most annoying thing about you, is that you haven't got a clue what you're talking about.

    You're completely out of your depth.

    You need to spend less time on here, and more time in your beloved gym.

    I can't write in paragraphs?

    I think you'll find that I write in single line paragraphs for the most part, depending on the points I'm making.

    I'm sure you know all about single line paragraphs, right?

    :lol:

    :hi: