Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

He had only had 2 fights since last fighting a title fight at SMW.
Dirrell is rated at SMW but has had low key fights outside of the weight, as did Toney. Why is that hard to grasp?
Eubank only recently was saying he is a LHW now without full training and dieting

 

The most ignorant thing about this post is the fact that Joe never left his home until he was old and always got hurt when he had a so called big fight lined up....He was fresh as a post 30 fighter because he didn't fight anyone good for years and always had "Hand problems" when a good fighter called him out... Joe got a shot Hopkins and Roy.....those fight are equal to Oscar De La Hoya or Kosta Tszu beating Julio Ceasar Chavez....that version they beat up wasn't the same fighter he was in his prime......

 

That quote also mentions he would be willing to fight Jones if you didnt just post the bit you wanted and was also a quote from 99 and Calzaghe agreed to face Jones in 00.
The comment on the screen was around 08, and Calzaghe was calling for Jones in 02 also, so tell the full facts and details rather than just the bits you want to listen to

 

You can't do a direct comparison between Dirrell and Eubank.

Different circumstances altogether.


You can't rate Joe's win over Eubank, based on Eubank's past glories.

You rate Joe's win based on where Eubank was in his career, at the time of their fight.

That is fair.

It was a great win for Joe personally, but it wasn't a great win for boxing.

 

He was offered a fight with Pavlik and turned it down
He was offered a fight with Dawson on two separate occasions and turned it down
He was offered a fight with Glen Johnson but he turned the fight down and would go on to fight Manfedo instead

He was a wbo super champion so he could of easily moved up and got a shot at Darius M, but he refused to do that.

I think I can safely say the first quote is the most truthful quote

 

bailey,

I've used Danny Green's victory over Roy, as an example. I'm not doing a direct comparison. Yes, for Green personally, it was a great win. It was a great win for his fans too. But not for anyone else.

Hopkins may have been bigger naturally. But again, you're concentrating too much on the past. Just because Hopkins turned pro at a higher weight, it doesn't mean that there was a big disparity in size, which you're clearly trying to imply. When Hopkins was at MW, his walking around weight was only a few pounds over.

It doesn't matter that Tito wasn't experienced at the weight. He looked good at the weight, and had previously beaten Joppy, who was a good fighter.

I've already told you.

So what if he'd been knocked down before?

I rate the win, because Trinidad was 28, and he looked very good at the weight coming off of a win over Joppy.

Hopkins was 36, and he beat him easily.

Therefore, in my opinion, it was a top win.


Now look at Joe vs Eubank.

Joe was 25, in his first big fight.

Eubank was faded, and hadn't fought at Joe's weight in two years, and he only had 11 days preparation, plus he had bad knees.

So how could that be a better win?

Please explain, without telling us all about Eubank's past glories, which aren't relevant.

You've got your wires crossed.

I said it was irrelevant looking at past glories.

Again, Tito was younger, looked very good at the weight, was coming off of a very good win of Joppy, and Hopkins won easy, even though he was older.

Whereas Joe beat an older guy in Eubank, who was underprepared, and who'd done nothing at SMW for a while. He was coming off of a win against Camilio Alarcon at CW, in a stay busy fight. His last win at SMW, was three years earlier, against Henry Wharton.

So how on earth is Joe's win the better win, all things considered?

It can't be.

 

He only ever defended his SMW titles twice outside of the UK.

Don't know where you get 'half' from.

 

AnotherFan,

If you like.

So it's irrelevant that he was training to fight an orthodox fighter at LHW, and then he had to prepare to fight at southpaw at a weight he hadn't made for two years?

He gave it is all.

But his preparation and his circumstances have to be factored when rating Joe's win.

Ha! What do you mean how does it matter?

He'd recently been fighting at CW.

That's right. And if I were looking at a fighters win, and he or his opponent had an injury, that would be taken into account before I rated it.

How on earth was it not a big deal?

Are you for real?

Eubank went into camp to fight Mark Prince, with a target weight of 175. Again, he'd recently been fighting at CW. He'd left the SMW division two years earlier. Then he found out that he had to hit 168. His wife had to put him on a special diet made up of fruit.

Yet you're saying it wasn't an issue?

Right. So it was an issue.

Something special for Joe, Enzo and all of his family and friends.

It wasn't special to anyone else.

I agree with you.

My argument is, that is wasn't a GREAT win.

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There was nothing great about that win, IMHO.

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I can agree with that.

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The UK?

 

Why do you keep asking who was there for him to fight when the goal was to fight RJJ. You said he was chasing him why not do what Hatton did ? See you seem to always side step this and start going into your little spin ..Forget the SMW. Division he could have made the jump to LHW to possibly get a shot at Jones since he claims he really wAnted to fight him..

 

bailey,

You've gone off topic here.

But if a young up and comer beat Dirrell, I'd have allow for many factors before I rated the win.

Now I've taken every factor into consideration regarding Joe and Eubank, and I've explained my reasoning on numerous occasions.

What do you want me to explain?

They're different circumstances.

Different fighters, from different eras etc.

Just stick to the topic at hand.

Most of your reasoning is based on past glories.

Go and read what you've typed.

You mention Eubank's resume, and his great wins at the weight etc.

Eubank wasn't a world class SMW when he fought Joe.

He'd been campaigning at CW, in a few stay busy fights.

He hadn't fought at SMW in two years, and he hadn't won at SMW in three years.

Yet you completely overlook these facts.

You know where he was.

As above.

Plus, take into account everything else, like his preparation.

Again, I'd need to take into account many things if someone beat Dirrell.

I'm not trying to change angles.

If you think it was a great win for Joe personally, that's fine.

But I don't see how it was a great win in boxing, all things considered.


I don't know why you keep mentioning Dirrell?

I'm sure there must be better examples for you to give, to get your points across.

 

I'm not aware of that situation but considering who Froch has fought and how he's traveled to hostile territories Froch defiantly gets a pass ..As he 's fought the best of the best when it mattered !

 

If his goal had truly been to have fought Roy, he'd have moved to LHW, and fought WHOEVER possible, to move up the rankings etc, to get him closer to a potential fight.

Good luck explaining it to Bailey though.

 

He seems to keep missing that point ..That's why I even brought up Hatton yet all he says is good for him