Floyd Mayweather vs. Amir Khan speculation & discussion

Okay. Speed isn't a style.

False. In single blow hand speed, punch for punch Mayweather is faster. Khan often throws eye-catching quick flurries, which Mayweather almost never does. This is where the myth of Khan being faster originates. Watch them side by side, however, and see whose execution of each punch in their arsenal is actually A to Z completed in better time. You'll see that it's Mayweather on every punch in the book.

You could just as easily invert that.

Corley, Mosley - both old when they fought but still fast.

Those are attributes. They do not comprise elements of a style. Do you know what a style is? I'm beginning to think not.

Speculative. When have those attributes (except the jab, in brief isolated spurts ie versus DLH and Cotto - both superior jabbers to Khan) ever troubled him before the age of 37? :think

4 on my card.

Because a) Maidana has improved greatly since he fought Khan, and b) styles make fights (but you struggle with the concept of styles, it seems) - meaning that 1. just because Maidana lost to Khan doesn't mean Khan will necessarily do better h2h than Maidana in any triangle-theory match-up with anyone, and 2. Maidana actually does possess the awkwardness and attacking angles (which do comprise a style, btw, if you're still lost) to bother Floyd, as evidenced in both of their fights, while Khan doesn't and is far more conventional and straightforward in his style.

Correct, but he was never a high work rate guy to begin with and yet has routinely beaten world ranked fighters even with a relatively lower work rate over the last couple of decades, right up through present day even with his legs being shot limiting his ability to move about the ring as much as he used to. Are you really putting Khan on a pedestal above everyone Mayweather has fought recently, that he can exploit Mayweather being stationary whereas they could not? Based on what? "Styles"? You have yet to convincingly expand upon that.

When has Mayweather? The last fight you can possibly argue he didn't deserve to win was Castillo I, and JLC didn't outbox him. He bullied him. The last fight before that you can possibly argue he didn't deserve to win was Lorenzo Aragon...who also bullied him with (intelligently applied, like with JLC) physicality more than anything else. It isn't enough to be physically rough (ask DLH, Canelo, Guerrero, Maidana, Ortiz, Corrales, Gatti etc) and it isn't enough to be a good boxer. The last two people in twenty years to come even close to beating Mayweather had the best of both worlds...as well as a stylistic advantage (which Castillo and Aragon both had) meaning they possessed a triple-threat whammy (yet both still officially did lose!). Do you think Khan does?

If he is that great a boxer, why the hell did those big shots land? Garcia's wide ass telegraphed hooks? Breidis Prescott? Do you think Prescott would ever lay a glove on Mayweather? Ever, in a million years? Serious question, please answer it.

...I think you just mashed up "likelihood" and "plausibility". Anyway, there isn't much plausi-hood to Mayweather knocking out any durable world class welterweights, no - but Khan isn't one, based on his campaign there so far.

They don't suggest that one can assume that, no. They suggest Khan is flawed enough a boxer to be caught with shots like that. So your argument that Khan will outbox Mayweather because his skills are on some higher level is as flawed as Khan himself. When is the last time Mayweather got hit with nonsense like Khan was caught by from Prescott and Garcia? Maybe that at-the-bell haymaker from Maidana, but guess what? That was a harder shot than Prescott or Garcia ever landed on Khan and Mayweather took it and fought on several more rounds clear-headed...whereas Khan did the chicken dance from lesser impact.

I'm certain of that as well. Nobody has ever to my knowledge suggested that Mayweather would outwork Khan. That is a ludicrous notion. You know that work rate isn't a scoring criteria, right? (and that Mayweather is outworked in EVERY fight, yet still wins based on a higher degree of economical but more accurate, cleaner, more textbook punching - which should be no less the expectation against Khan than with anyone else, since being fast doesn't automatically make Khan accurate...in fact, relying lazily on his speed greatly hinders Khan's accuracy...)

Of course, I realize I'm posing this question to someone who doesn't know that speed isn't a style...

 

Pretty much everything I said in my last post, nut-shelled. :yep

 

So...FT...would Prescott ever lay all that leather on Mayweather? :think

If not I don't think we can say Khan is a better defensive boxer than Mayweather.

..and if you want to play the "...but that was a long time ago!" card, it was a lot more recent than Mayweather vs. Judah, which you seem to feel is a valid informative match to look at when analyzing Mayweather vs. Khan as though it demonstrates how Mayweather deals with speed.