2014 Ortiz, but not the Ortiz that fought Floyd. Let me guess, you think Guerrero is a bigger cherry pick than Rios right? LOL, *******s these days.
You're high off that Pac juice, seriously. Stop making excuses. Floyd isn't what he used to be either and you were talking **** about the Maidana fight. Stay consistent.
Now you're steering the discussion in another direction. How is that any different than me saying Mayweather beats Pacquiao? It doesn't matter unless they actually fight so your argument is void.
Vargas is way to green, I noticed a ******* mentioned that Vargas beat Josesito but also did not mention that it was a close fight that some had Josesito winning. Vargas has been matched to win & even then he fights real cautious. Pac would tko or beat him easy on points. Vargas is as bad as chris fighting pac. Its funny *******s are hyping up chris but before the provo fight they never mentioned him. Vargas is a great prospect, no where near proven enough to fight pac. Hell Josesito has a better resume then both Chris & Vargas. Pac needs to speak up and say he wants Lucas, Thurman, Garcia, Maidana, Kell, Khan, all way better names then chris & vargas. To the *******s, notice I'm not criticizing pac, simply saying he is too great & to talented to have his time wasted by what arum feels fit to line his pockets. The fact that pac is not as fast or strong as he used to be, does not mean you lower the quality of opponents, he still holds a belt & rightfully needs to be defended. Same goes for Floyd, I didn't like he faced Maidana twice when he had clearly beat him the first time, just time being wasted.