Prime RJJ vs Tonight's Kovalev

You've got that back to front.

Hopkins didn't want anything to do with Roy at LHW, until he knew Roy was shot.

 

Bernard Hopkins has an ego bigger than the planet, which Roy Jones Jr used against him to make sure there would be no real negotiations. It was very transparent.

Some fights the best without flinching, call it courage or just plain madness. Others step up when they think the calculated risk is worth it. Hopkins is the former, Jones Jr the latter IMO.

 

Yep.

 

Roy Jones is the most talented boxer the past 20 years and maybe ever. He's the one who beat PRIME ATGs Tony and Hopkins and made it look easy. He went years without losing a round. He's the one who moved up to heavweight to beat a LEGIT champ in Ruiz. Alot of people called Ruiz a bum but he beat legit heavyweights and earned the belt. He beat Rachman, Golota, Holyfield, etc. He was no joke during his prime, his style though made alot of haters, but he founds way to win.
We're sitting here comparing Kovalev, who up until last night, was kicking around tomato cans. Then he dominates a 49 year old ATG who finally showed his age, and people want to believe he has a legit chance againt PRIME ROY JONES JR.?:roll:

 

Yesterday Hopkins risked his life in order to prove a point. Him ducking Jones Jr seems like wishfull thinking.

 

Jones had a way of doing that to other great fighters.

 

The thing is he didn't have anything to lose yesterday, when Hopkins was at his peak he never wanted any part of Roy Jones.

 

I'm sure you've seen their famous argument on HBO?

At the start, Bernard says 'Roy Jones can't expect to get more than Bernard Hopkins after the tournament'

Then later, he backed down and wanted 50/50.

Now do you think if Bernard had've beaten Roy in 93, and he'd have been considered the best fighter in the world, that he'd have fought Roy for 50/50?

He was deluded.

Roy had already enquired about moving to HW in 2002.

If the fight had taken place, it probably would have been at a catchweight.

So Roy would had to have lost weight.

So you think he was going to go down in weight, to fight a guy who he didn't like, and who he'd already beaten whilst injured, for HALF of the purse?



Bernard only fought Roy when it was safe to do so.

Go and check out his comments after Joe had beaten Roy.

I'll get you a link if you want.

He said that Roy was no longer Superman, and it wouldn't be fair to fight him etc, because he could no longer do the things that he used to do.

Then 12 months later, he told the media how he thought Roy hadn't got a fair shake in Australia against Danny Green, and how he had to settle the score, in a fight that the fans wanted.

Nobody but Bernard wanted the fight, and it was an absolute farce.

He rolled around the ring like he did against Joe.

 

Hopkins was tied with King at the time, and his circumstances were different.

We know he's got a huge set of balls, but he's also a very smart man.

He saw something in Kov that he thought he could exploit.

We know his game plan was to take him the distance.

Kov's a great fighter, but he had question marks surrounding certain aspects of his game.

Whereas Roy had already beaten Hopkins, whilst he was injured.

If he'd really wanted to settle the score, he wouldn't have priced himself out, and he'd have moved to LHW sooner.

I watched the fight last night on BoxNation. Steve Bunce said that Hopkins told him in 2010, that the defeat to Roy had been on his mind every single day.

 

in the end this is just a case of younger fight fans not really being aware of the right information.......you can tell the age of the people on here by their insisting that Prime Roy was when he was in his mid to late thirties....

 

Yes.

He didn't back down, he became more specific. "Jones can't expect to get more than Bernard Hopkins" is not contradictive to a 50/50 split.

Not fighting the best on a 50/50 split is a duck. Would Hopkins have ducked Jones Jr if the positions were reversed? Maybe, maybe not. We can't know that and there is little point in guessing. But we know that Jones Jr ducked Hopkins.

Jones Jr still ducked him.

Jones Jr vs John Ruiz was not the best fighting the best. Jones Jr vs Hopkins 2 would be the best fighting the best.

Too much risk, too little reward. So Jones Jr couldn't be bothered. I can understand his reasons but a duck is still a duck.

Can't see why this is relevant.

 

Kovalev doesn't work a day job, so Roy wouldn't fight him.

 

So Jones ducked Hopkins



Yeah ok !it was Hopkins who wanted nothing to do with Roy when he had a pulse yet he takes the rematch after. Jones is brutally. KO ed twice yeah Jones ducked him:rofl

 

I believe that what would keep Kovalev from executing a similar game plan against Jones is that Jones exploited positioning far quicker and with greater range than Hopkins. He'd explode from just outside reach to a well-leveraged punching angle, and then slide back out just far enough that it looks good to throw at him but you don't land. Dynamics seem to favor Roy pot-shotting with power punches over Kovalev seeking to preserve balance while cutting off the ring.

Now if Kovalev had exhibited a powerful and cunning Duran-esque pressure game against Hopkins we might argue a bit less toward Roy, but based on what we saw last night there's really nothing in evidence to say Roy has any problems here.

 

Roy Jones is the best ever fighter , he was unbeatable in his prime.

I mean come on , there was talk of him fighting Lennox he was that good.