Wlad is the most underated HVY champ ever, Marciano most overrated

nobodys gonna read that:hi:

 

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You really dont know?

 

Whom are you referring to? You re not saying his brother are you?

 

Of course.

 

You re mad.

I'm not holding that against Wlad, no one in his right mind would, on the contrary I deem it to be very normal never to have aspired such a fight, neither did his brother, btw. I thought you meant he had ducked a serious contender with a substantial claim for a title shot but you were actually talking about his brother :rofl

 

OK I said it more like tongue in cheek. I totally understand if one does not want to fight with his bro and it is not to be called ducking. But seriously it would have been a great fight and without it we can never know who was better of the two.

 

It's an interesting debate.

I happen to think that both guys are both underrated and overrated.

But there's so many things to take into consideration.

Every fighter has a different set of circumstances surrounding them.

Some fighters get opportunities that others don't get.

Wlad's won more belts, but obviously there was only one belt to fight for in Rocky's day.


Let's look at Wlad's height and weight:

He's 6'6 tall.

His reach is 81'

His weight is between 240-250 pounds.


Let's look at Rocky's:

He was only 5'10 tall.

His reach was only 68'

His weight was between 180-190 pounds.

There's LHW's today, who weigh that on fight night.


Then take a look at their skills.

Wlad when he chooses to use his full arsenal, which isn't that often anymore, is very skilled.

Rocky wasn't blessed with pure boxing skill. He was a fighter and not a boxer. He had a will of iron and never took a backwards step.


So you can look at things from different perspectives.

On paper Wlad has achieved more. He's won more belts, made more title defences, and is still at the top in his late 30's. He deserves a lot of respect.

But as I always say, statistics don't allow for circumstances.

Because if Rocky was around today, he'd be a CW, and possibly even a LHW.

Which makes what he did in his time a huge accomplishment.

Again, he was a 5'10, 180 plus pound fighter at HW, and he never lost.

So IMHO, he achieved just as much as what Wlad has, all things considered.


You've spoken about Rocky's wins being overrated, but what are Wlad's best wins?

Does he have a really special win? His best wins are probably against Byrd and Haye. Chris Byrd was a great boxer, but he lacked power.

David Haye has a lot of ability, but IMHO, he's mentally weak, and he went into the fight with Wlad with only 6 HW fights to his name. Both fighters fought extremely cautious.


Wlad has also lost three times. At the ages of 22, 27 and 28.

So he wasn't a baby. Now were the guys he lost to great fighters?

Without being disrespectful, no they weren't.

He was also lucky not be knocked out to Sam Peter, who also isn't a great fighter.


He's then come back from his defeats and he's avenged one of them.

He made a few adjustments, and he hasn't lost a fight since losing to Brewster ten years ago. Since then he's fought 20 fights. Now that deserves a lot of respect, even though he isn't beating great fighters.

But without being too critical and unfair on him, if he's as great as what some people claim, he shouldn't really have lost to those guys, especially in his mid to late 20's. This is where I think he's a tad overrated.

But again, all credit to him for coming back. A lot of people criticise his style of fighting, (including me at times) which is very cautious, and I think that's psychological. I think if he hadn't have suffered those earlier defeats, he'd commit a lot more to showing his full arsenal of skills, that he certainly does possess.

So you can say that Rocky never beat a great fighter whilst they were prime, but then again, neither has Wlad.


Again, I do believe that both guys are both overrated and underrated.


Rocky:

Overrated - A lot of people think he'd easily have beaten all modern HW's.

Underrated - A lot of people think that he couldn't even compete with modern CW's, let alone HW's. Also, people tend to forget his height, reach and weight, when accessing his overall career.


Wlad:

Overrated - A lot of people claim that he's one of the greatest HW's of all time, mainly due to his statistics. Many people also have him beating Frazier, Foreman, Ali and Tyson etc with ease.

Underrated - A lot of people downgrade his abilities and his achievements because they don't like his style. They also don't appreciate his current age and the number of fights that he's had.


What I've wrote above are my honest opinions, and both guys deserve an enormous amount of respect, as does any fighter who steps through the ropes.


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I don't agree that Wlad is light years above Rocky, accomplishment wise, all things considered.

 

Maybe he's underrated because the fat 37 years old unathletic,
glass-chinned bum Sanders couldn't knock him out
in the first round.
Nate Tubbs, Mike Tyson's bum sparring partner destroyed
a younger,better Sanders easily.
Considering these things i can see chance for an underrated
wladimir klitoris.:roll:

 

I agree that he improved considerably post Steward but he was still an elite fighter before working with Steward.

 

Give Rocky credit.

Do you think your average 5'10, 185 pound fighter could beat all the guys that he did at HW?

Also, why are you certain that Haye would pummel him?

David Haye is mentally weak, and Rocky would have brought non stop pressure.

Look how cautious he was against Valuev, and the manner in which he fought Wlad.

It's not a given that Haye would beat him.

Rocky was absolutely relentless.

 

But who's he dominated in one sided fashion?

 

:good Good post