Wlad is the most underated HVY champ ever, Marciano most overrated

Ross Purrity, Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster would have killed the same opponents Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston and Max Baer fought and they would have slaughtered the majority of Larry Holmes' opponents too.

If the venerable ATGs were around today they would probably second rate cruiserweights for the most part. Boxing has a far more larger number of competitors now than it ever did. The ATGs would be like fish in a decent sized like versus fish of the 7 seas.

 

Frazier was an ATG you fool.

What are Peters credentials. Go on . Name them.

Did you even see his first fight with an old , obsess , 40 year old Middle Weight? I doubt you did , because Toney deserved to win that fight.
What else did Peter do?
Lose one sided to Vitali and Hilenious. Hilenious beat Peter far easier and quicker than Wlad.

Chisora - the poor mans Joe Frazier by everybodys estimation - pushed Vitali to the brink , while Peter never even landed one single blow on him.
Eddie Chambers wasn't good enough to compete and Cruiser weight but he had no problem beating Peters at HW.

So what did he do besides almost knocking Wlad clean out and sending him running while he stumped in slow motion after him.

Frazier threw one of the best, hardest and fastest left hooks in HW history.
He was a relentless , power punching , bady blasting machine who smashed bones and destroyed iron chined warriors.

He beat the greatest of all time in fight of the century, was 3 time fighter of the year and won two fights of the year against Quarry and Ali.

Klitschko land - Peter>> Joe Frazierrofl

 

Hey Dino.

http://www.boxingforum24.com/showthread.php?t=521810

Thoughts? :think

 

Pac was just a boy off the streets back then.

Wlad was an Olympic gold winner, with 23 pro fights , a wealth of experience and lots of money behind him when he lost to Purrity.

Its a valid loss and one he got his brother to avengeatsch

 

Repeat. Look at the Sauerland interface. Live Eurosport shows have their own interface.

 

Well????? atsch

 

The fight is on Eurosport.

 

quite, but to even fairer , he was just good at his best. at his best, he got sparked out by rahman, a bit part champion.

at his worst, and yes, it was his worst ever, a post retirement fight, he destroyed prime klitschko in seconds. Wlad just isn't that good, hes pretty good in a narrow set of skuills but not really good.

 

IDGAF about overrated or underrated, Wlad fights scared.
How can anyone root for someone like that?
Who has all the physical advantages, financial advantages, promotional advantages..cmon man, the every day man recognizes this and therefore will never identify with him not to mention the (mostly) woeful opposition he has faced in a woeful division. I think he's right where he deserves to be as far as 'rating' is concerned by the public.

 

wlad would run in fear in exactly the same way from Marciano, all 5 foot 9 of him.

A ***** sigth indeed, seeing this huge giant running in fear around the ring from a chubby midget.

 

Maybe but Joe Louis, Rocky Marciano, Floyd Patterson, Sonny Liston, Max Baer and Larry Holmes would have *never* lost to the likes of Ross Purrity Corrie Sanders and Lamon Brewster.

If Klitschko were around during the golden age of HW boxing, he wouldn't even be considered a serious contender...

 

Yeah, he is..

Tunney beating Dempsey is probably better than any single win on Marciano's resume...

 

ForemanJab,

I can't give him the same amount of credit as you do, because IMHO, Peter isn't great.

If Wlad is as great as what many people suggest, a fighter like that should have been dispatched relatively easy.

You're going to compare Joe Frazier and 'The Thrilla' to Sam Peter?

Ali may have been fortunate with Cooper. He got caught with a great shot. Any guy at HW can get caught with a great shot. But Ali was a young Clay then, and Wlad didn't have three lapses of concentration when he lost his fights. Am I really supposed to believe that because he's tightened up his defence and now fights ultra safe, that the same guy who was bombed out at 27 and 28, would have beaten Ali and Tyson etc with ease?

I agree that post prime, Ali had contentious decisions. But that isn't really relevant to the argument I've put forward.

Come on now.

Corrie Sanders was a good fighter, but are you suggesting he'd have beaten all of those guys?

That's up to you.

If you don't mind, would you give your honest opinions on the following fights, all guys being at their best, fighting to their full capabilities:

Wlad vs

Tyson
Holmes
Holyfield
Frazier
Norton
Liston
Bowe
Lewis
Foreman
Ali
Marciano
Douglas
Louis


Many thanks!


:good

 

Again, statistics don't allow for circumstances.

How have we ended up comparing Wlad to Manny?


Manny's win over Marg was a great win in my opinion.

What was horrible, was that it was a title fight, that put Manny in the history books. That was truly awful. Fighting for a belt at a catchweight is a disgrace and shouldn't be allowed. Also, Manny had no intentions of defending the belt. But if you take the politics out, that was a top win.

In the last Marquez fight, I thought Manny looked good, but he was caught by a beautiful shot.

Bradley was/is considered a top fighter. I had Manny winning the first fight and he impressed me in the rematch.

Rios was just a comeback fight after the bad loss to Marquez.

Mosley was shot. I agree with you there.

Fair enough with regards to Algieri. But Wlad has many fights on that level.


You say Wlad has beaten more top ten guys. But again, they're just statistics. Manny's fought at different weights, and obviously Wlad can only fight at the one.

Again, I don't really know why we're doing this comparison. We've gone off topic.

But Wlad's hardly had a great five years has he?

I don't care what the rankings say.

His best win was against Haye, in an awful fight, where both fighters wouldn't commit.

The other wins you've mentioned, I'll give him credit for. But they weren't stand out wins. Then you've got Wach, Pianeta and Lepai etc.

 

I agree.

But it all depends on the circumstances.

Many guys don't exclusively fight in one particular division nowadays, in the lower weight classes.

Then there's the politics.

But you do have to credit any pro who unifies.

Wlad has been consistently beating top ten guys.

Although the division isn't that strong, and the guys he's been beating aren't that great.

So I do think that the statistics make things appear better than what they actually are.