Mythical P4P talk aside,How good was SSR in reality if matched ....

No, I don't think he could beat those guys.

Even some of the best modern middleweights, who are in fact 170+ pounders in the ring, would perhaps be too big for him.

Robinson was, at his peak, probably most comfortable at 147 to 154 pounds.
I'm sure there are some decent fighters in the 170-180 pound range he would have found a way to beat but not the calibre of a Spinks or Moore or Foster.

 

Naughty ,naughty:nono

 

Though it's true to say he would be a Light Middle today, I'd still back him in his " prime " to beat any and every Welter, or Middle since his own time. Yes including Monzon, and Hagler, or Hearns, and Leonard.

Eddie Futch, when well into his 80's commented that Robinson did things in a ring he'd never seen before or since. Just look at how he fought going backwards, never mind off the front foot.

 

150lb Robinson wouldn't beat hagler or monzon IMO.how many top lefties did Robinson BTW ??

 

This question is an oxymoron, you can only mythically match the sweet one up with Hagler, Monzon et al.

Personally the only man who could beat him weighing 160 or less, at their best, would be Monzon.

 

I don't see him having much success against any of them. Most of these fights would be mismatches, bearing in mind we're talking about someone who turned pro at 135. Robinson fought the relatively non-threatening Maxim but notice how he didn't tangle with more dangerous contemporary light-heavies like Moore or Johnson. He famously gave his manager short shrift when offered a Marciano fight. Even the greatest of fighters have their limits (and know them).

 

Perchance, tell me what limit did a peak Harry Greb have to possibly beat anyone of his time ?. Nada !
Having seen the prime Ray Robinson ringside as a welterweight
I cannot envision any fighter who was a better all around fighter
than the Sugar Man with the notable exception of the lightweight Benny Leonard who could also do it all, and ruled the lightweights for seven years....
Yes it was true that SRR as a MW never would tackle a hard punching lightheavyweight such as Archie Moore, Ezzard Charles,
Harold Johnson etc, as Robby knew his limitations, wheras a Harry Greb because of his unique style and ruggedness, had no hestation to fight anyone regardless of size, style or colour...
And fighting with but one orbit for many years...When Greb was made they threw away the mould...

 

Even as I typed that I knew Greb's name would come up. The exception that proves the rule perhaps, though if you really wanted to be pernickety, he never challenged Harry Wills!

 

Off the top of my head joe curcio could fight and Robinson blasted him out of there.

 

Greb was a bigger guy than robinson though. As a 20 year old he weighed in at 170 once whereas 20 year old Robinson was in the low 140s and could make lightweight. Greb was a much heavier man naturally, probably by 15 pounds or so and back when most heavies were less than 200 pounds that is a big deal.

Not to say he wasn't better than SRR because he might have been, and his weight climbing was more impressive but it's not like Ricardo Lopez camping at 105.

 

Jones jnr destroys him

Toney is a 50/50

Bhops dirty enough to spoil a win

Calzaghe beats him

 

SRR had 13-2-2 record when he faced Rocky Graziano, that's a lot of fight vs excellent competition. He lost to Maxim in his next fight and retired for almost 3 years still had some great wins after his best days but I still favor him over almost all south of 160

 

You have a little typo.

 

LR, Harry Greb at about 5ft8" tall was about 3 1/2" shorter than
Ray Robinson was and yes would fight at higher than the 160 lb limit, BUT when he had to, made the 160 pound limit as shown
when he fought Mickey Walker, Greb weighed about 158-9 lbs,
ONE year before he retired and died...Of course when he fought
Lightheavies and heavyweights, he was able to forsake a low diet and indulge in his favorite foods. Why Not ? I am sure SRR
walked around 165 lbs when there wasn't a fight on his schedule.
What matters was that Greb was a MW weight when his title was at stake...