Would the great heavyweights of the past lost to ANY of Wlads opponents?

yes, its the truth no matter what way you look at it

 

Sam Peter is one of Wlads best wins and was a top contender and belt holder in this era, he also gave Wlad a tough fight, dropping him multiple time. This is the same Sam Peter who needed a robbery to beat a 5ft 9", fat, 40 year-old, shot, former middleweight. Says it all really.

Now I know Kilttards are obsessed with size and this idea that past greats couldn't compete with modern heavyweights, but do they really think that short, old, fat, out-of-shape, past it, little James Toney is a better heavyweight than prime Marciano, Louis, Frazier, Ali, Foreman, Holmes etc?

 

i dont know, ali was getting regularly hit with henry coopers left hook until he stepped it up. he also got dropped heavily by cooper who was about 13.5stone

 

If i remember correctly those prime fighter rarely lost.so as Wlad.


We can put Wlad up there with those fighters,but not his opponents.
If somebody would say someone in Wlad resume would beat one of those fighters in their prime,it would be safe bet to say,then Wlad would be HW goat.
He has picked every challenger apart easily.

You should drop your standards little bit,of course in HW freak KO's happen sometimes.so i would give punchers chance for couple of Wlad's opponents.

 

You're an idiota.Tyson hadn't always problem the big HW's
What does it mean big ?
He destroyed the tall 247 pounds ripped muscular reigning champion Bruno in the third round easily.
Bruno was much more muscular than w. klitschko against pulev.
W. klitschko never beat similar good 247 pounds fighter like
bruno.
The 37 years old fat unathletic bum 6'4" Sanders destroyed
w. klitschko in the second round.Say similar case in Tyson's carrier.
Just saying.Tyson destroyed the 6'4" muscular C. Williams in the first round. And Tyson beat the 6'4" muscular reigning champion Smith easily.
Or Tyson destroyed the 6'5" muscular Savarese in the first.
Tyson beat other good tall fighters like Tucker,Holmes,Ruddock
etc.
These klittards live in a dreamworld.The reality w. klitschko
never beat a good tall fighter.

 

w. klitschko's every opponent was mediocre or total ****.
The reality :Otherwise common opponents: Tyson-w. klitschko 2-0.

 

A 6'4" fat,unathletic 37 years old bum 6'4"Sanders destroyed
w. klitschko in the second round. I don't know similar case
in Ali's carrier.
But Ali destroyed the muscular 6'3.5" ATG Foreman.
And maybe it wasn't the best Ali.

 

A think these ****ing klittards can't say a good tall wladimir's victim.
But these klittard always brag with this size thing.
Too bad w. klitoris didn't beat a good tall fighter.

 

Due to the Ali cult of personality that has been established and in part to typical generation bias, the nostalgists can never objectively evaluate Ali's abilities and career. To them his losses and struggles somehow point to some sign of greatness as opposed to an obvious weakness or flaw.

Almost no other fighters get such privilege.

When he got sparked out by that bummy LHW instead of saying,"Wow Ali got smashed by that small bum and his Dundee had to cheat to revive him, maybe he isn't as good as we think"
they said, "Wow Ali that showed so much toughness and heart..he came back and beat the murderous punching beast of a fighter...this kid is for real"

when he beat up that old 50's contender punching bag Cleveland Williams who had a portion of colon cut out and atrophied leg, who would've been killed by by everybody in the top 10 today, they always point to this fight as a measure of Ali's greatness and how unbeatable he was, how he would easily outbox and knockout Tyson, Lewis, the Klitschkos etc because those guys have nothing on the fearsome Cleveland Williams.

When he got the **** beaten out of him by that 205 pound skinnyfat,one armed,punching bag attrition brawler instead of saying,

"Ali just got dominated by that crude brawler Frazier...Same guy that got beaten bad by that south American bum and needed 11 rounds to chop down that diabetic obese bum Buster Mathis...Ali's overrated.
****ty fight as well...If he wasn't running away,Ali was illegally holding the back of Frazier's head for half the fight, Frazier was swinging wildly too. Both guys were clearly overweight and fatigued badly.
Ali got hit easily, hit reflexes are way overrated..."

they said "DID YOU SEE that Ali's heart on display, he's taking a licking but he keeps on ticking..that Frazier right there he MUST BE an ATG because he just beat up "the greatest"...Greatest fight I've ever seen in my life!"

He did beat Foreman... but nobody wants to mention the loosened ropes, the 55+ illegal back of the neck clinches, the appointed house ref that let Ali foul as much as he wanted and that Foreman was really counted out at 8.
Nobody wants to talk about how bad and beatable Foreman was in this fight. Slow, wide open defence, zero use of a jab, just big telegraphed wild punches.

An even worse performance than the one that got him beaten by 34-19 bum Jimmy Young.

Other fighters get **** for dirty foulfests like this...but this is "the rumble in the jungle" we are talking about...CLEARLY the greatest fight of all times.

OF COURSE based on this fight Ali is the H2H king and would lick any man who ever lived...


When he lost badly to the ex marine who tuned pro at 26 with barely any amateur experience who happened to have a worse pre fight resume than Deontay Wilder, instead of saying' "Man, how could Ali get whipped by that unknown novice who didn't beat anybody? Ali's a joke."

They typically say, "WOW how could than ex marine whip "the greatest" Ali? He must be an ATG."

Ali was a guy who basically made much of his legacy off of rematching B and C level fighters who beat him.

Of course nobody is to mention the all the horrendous gift decisions he received, bums he handpicked like almost no other champion before or since...but this is "The greatest" we are talking about here and if you don't agree then you're a an absolute ****ing idiot who DKSAB!!!!

 

Ehm no it's not. Why would Ali have trouble with Povetkin, Haye, Wach or Pulev? What do you think they have that Ali can't deal with? Do you really think Ali would try to clinch and lean against a much bigger man? No, he would adjust his gameplan.

I would like to ask the same question for the others you've listed? Why would the trouble them?

 

I was laughing at the post, not agreeing with it

 

chris byrd, lmao...along with john ruiz, he was one of the worst hw champs of all time.

 

chagaev is two time hw champ. beats the hell outta byrd.

 

non of you guys factor anything in except past names.
ali and frazier would be tiny tiny tiny vs many of todays HW's.

come on now. a healthy in shape Brewster probably kttfo.

wlad would be heavily favored over all except LL and for great great reasons

 

most fans nowadays have no idea ali even fought multiple guys like this. wepner almost ko'd him, wepner was fat, slow, and weak. he was lowering his head, and windmilling, like a ten year old.