Would the great heavyweights of the past lost to ANY of Wlads opponents?

Plus guys like Ali, Frazier and Louis, whilst not huge compared to a super heavyweight like Wlad, were naturally that size, they were natural heavyweights, whereas Haye has had to lift weights and take steriods to get big, he was always skinny until he got on the gear. Chris Bryd is also not a natural heavyweight (bulked up from SMW) and neither is Eddie Chambers (he's just a fat LHW) yet Wlad didn't blow any of these fighters away, Haye went 12, Bryd went 12 and Chambers lasted till the 12th but Klit fans seem to think that Wlad would destroy the much more skilled Ali, Frazier and Louis in a few rounds just because he's bigger, when he couldn't do the same against smaller and more importantly, less skilled fighters. They are clueless, just look at the "Sam Peter would stop Frazier in 2 rounds" comment, Sam Peter should have lost to a old, fat, former middleweight but he blows Frazier awayatsch.

 

Prime Ali would lose to Sam Peter.

 

The version that Wlad fought was abysmal... he was old shot and had just LOST (despite the official version) to Fres Oquendo. He would absolutely be among the worst names on Ali's resume.

 

Better than Evagelista, Coopman, Dunn, Spinks, Lubbers, 50 yr old 184lbs Moore(who started his career at 140lbs),London, Mildenburger(who Ali struggled with).

 

If they fought 66 times to age 38, each man would have a loss for sure, unless you think someone could go 66-0.

That's not a knock on anyone, its the truth.

 

I don't know if you could say Wlad destroyed those guys but in 4 fights with them he went 4-0 (2kos) and in more than 40 rounds with them I doubt Wlad lost more than 5-8 rounds combined. Wlad has little to no trouble with smaller, by today's standards, heavyweights.

Haye, Chambers, and Byrd may be considered smaller to average size today but up til around 35-40 years ago they would have been seen as above average or even big heavyweights.

 

deal:deal

 

Because Sam Peter is terrible yet held a belt in this era, gave Wlad a tough fight and despite not being good enough to get the better of a shot former middleweight, some moron on here thinks he blows prime Joe Frazier away in 2 rounds. As for Wlad, thinking that he could beat the likes of Ali and Frazier is one thing, but saying that he blows them away and that they have no chance what-so-ever just because Wlad is bigger is ridiculous and shows you are completely clueless and ignorant when it comes to assessing boxing.

 

So Sam Peter was a terrible HW because you say so? Yes he had problems with Toney in their first match but that more of an indication of a style problem than a lack of ability and he won that fight don't forget(he also completely outboxed Toney in the the rematch). George Foreman had problems with movers and lost to opponents who were not as good as him like 34-19 bum Jimmy Young.

Sam Peter was one of the most highly touted prospects to come out of the 2000 olympics, everybody was very high on him, HBO was promoting him as the next HW destroyer. A terrible fighter wouldn't get this praise. When he fought Wlad the first time he was actually the 3-1 favorite going into the fight.

He was a big boned, muscled 6'2 240lbs 78 inch reach, concrete chin, big two handed power, good jab, extremely physically strong, decent hand and footspeed for his size,good cardio and undefeated.
If you actually look at his career, his 2 non Klitschkos loses he weighed 260 and 265 pounds and out of shape. If Joe Frazier had fought good, bigger HWs Eddie Chambers and Robert Helenius being 20 to 25 pounds overweight, he would have been absolutely annihilated. Hell even if he was in good shape at 193 pounds he still would get his ass kicked by those guys.

Now about Frazier. Frazier was a 5'11 205 pounds skinnyfat, crude brawler who was easy to hit. The interesting thing about Frazier is that he didn't fight many punchers. In fact in his entire career he only fought two opponents with career KO rates of higher than 60% and that was mediocre 205 pound Oscar Bonavena(65%) and George Foreman(83%). Bonavena put Frazier down twice in round one and Frazier won only by a close spilt decision in their first meeting. 217 1/2 pound Foreman brutally knocked him out.

Why is it so hard for you to conceptualize that the biggest (outweighs him by about 35 pounds of bone and muscle), strongest(was outmuscling Wlad in clinches), hardest chinned(took Wlad's hardest shot without going down), 2nd best punching(70%KO for career) opponent Frazier would have ever fought in his entire career could knock him out?

 

Remarkable post there by foremans jab, post number 43, I mean, its always a pleasure reading your insightful opinions especially on the Ali era. TBH, Im not a huge expert on that era, most or all of the action was in north america, so there's a lot to be learnt from these posts.

 

There's something to be said for decisively beating a lot to of good fighters in a row (okay, some sucked) without slipping.

 

some yes.

 

Frazier was an ATG .

What are Peters credentials. Go on . Name them.

Did you even see his first fight with an old , obsess , 40 year old Middle Weight? I doubt you did , because Toney deserved to win that fight.
40 year old obese Toney had better stamina than 25 year old Peter , so how does he have good stamina?
Peter is known for having absolute brutal stamina you dope.
What else did Peter do?
Lose one sided to Vitali and Hilenious. Hilenious beat Peter far easier and quicker than Wlad. He knocked Peter clean out , never losing a round.

Chisora - the poor mans Joe Frazier by everybodys estimation - battered Hilenius in his very next fight. Then he pushed Vitali to the brink , while Peter never even landed one single blow on Vitali.

Eddie Chambers wasn't good enough to compete and Cruiser weight but he had no problem beating Peters at HW.
How come Peter was so s.hit and why was he shown up by the poor mans Joe Frazier?
If you ever said Peter and Chisora were better than Frazier to any trainer in the world , they'd laugh right into your face.

So what did he do besides almost knocking Wlad clean out and sending him running while he stumped in slow motion after him.

Frazier threw one of the best, hardest and fastest left hooks in HW history.
He was a relentless , power punching , bady blasting machine who smashed bones and destroyed iron chined warriors.

He beat the greatest of all time in fight of the century, was 3 time fighter of the year and won two fights of the year against Quarry and Ali.

Klitschko land - Peter>> Joe Frazierrofl

 

Seriously I think Sam Peter before Klitschko cracked the cement was a better fighter and would have given Frazier all he could handle... we know Sam can take a punch and he absolutely has the power....

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