Liston vs Holyfield

swagdelfadeel · Nov 22, 2014

stonehammerjack said: ↑

wow. how in the world does tyson who never ever beat a tough heavyweight that stood up to him and was himself easily intimidated if he failed to get the ko in 1 or 2 rounds ko liston. Liston would maul tyson. Nobody beats liston easily. in my lifetime there was never a more fearsome package of fighter than Sonny Liston. A fearless guy physically who was only beaten by the great Ali at his peak and could slug it out w anyone. Holyfield, who I respect has neither the punch or defense to hold Sonny off. Holmes would have a good chance but Sonny"s 84 inch jab is longer than holmes 82 inch jab. Both jabs 2 of the best i ever saw. Klitschkos get slaughtered. Wlad impaled in 1, Vittles in 6. Liston was the real deal folks. the true baddest man on the planet.
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Lepinthehood's post are very entertaining, whether they're factually accurate of course is another matter. However when you get down to
It he's just another obsessive Liston hater. He thinks Lewis outbrawls Liston dispite Liston having a much better chin and hitting harder.

heavy_handss · Nov 22, 2014

RockyJim said: ↑

Sonny Liston is so overrated on this forum...it's amazing...Holyfield beats him on heart alone...
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I always said it, this guys is not even a top 20 hw and every guy inside OF the top 20. Would make him a *****

swagdelfadeel · Nov 22, 2014

heavy_handss said: ↑

I always said it, this guys is not even a top 20 hw and every guy inside OF the top 20. Would make him a *****
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Can you please show me your top 20? You're the first person I've heard say that Liston wasn't in the top 20. Which top 20 heavyweights beat him?

heavy_handss · Nov 22, 2014

Sonny liston, apart OF beating a fragile Lhw like patterson, and beating an average fighter. With a left hook in big cat, he did absolutely nothing more in his career , his hitting power is absolutely overrated, his % ko is not that amazing despite the mediocre oposition that he FACED , he could not even stop Eddie Machen and ingo did, AND LISTON DID CATCH MACHEN, he got stopped vy a bum like martín, and got beaten BY Marshall, he git badly humiliated BY cassius clay and it was not competitive, listob is nothing but a bully, no heart. No mental strength

ali Louis. Foreman Lewis evander tyson marciano Holmes Johnson wladimir dempsey vitali frazier joe walcott. Sulivan. Jefries. Charles. Langford. Tunney. All then rank higher than liston, you could argue a number 20 for liston

heavy_handss · Nov 22, 2014

Actually norton and schmeling in legacy deserved a higher place than liston

swagdelfadeel · Nov 22, 2014

heavy_handss said: ↑

Sonny liston, apart OF beating a fragile Lhw like patterson, and beating an average fighter. With a left hook in big cat, he did absolutely nothing more in his career , his hitting power is absolutely overrated, his % ko is not that amazing despite the mediocre oposition that he FACED , he could not even stop Eddie Machen and ingo did, AND LISTON DID CATCH MACHEN, he got stopped vy a bum like martín, and got beaten BY Marshall, he git badly humiliated BY cassius clay and it was not competitive, listob is nothing but a bully, no heart. No mental strength

ali Louis. Foreman Lewis evander tyson marciano Holmes Johnson wladimir dempsey vitali frazier joe walcott. Sulivan. Jefries. Charles. Langford. Tunney. All then rank higher than liston, you could argue a number 20 for liston
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Then Liston must have lost the Williams fight since he lost everytime someone stood up to him. Can you please give us a rundown on how Marciano beat's Liston? You forgot to mention Foreman didn't stop Roberto Davila. Jose Luis Garcia even stopped Davila.

swagdelfadeel · Nov 22, 2014

heavy_handss said: ↑

Actually norton and schmeling in legacy deserved a higher place than liston
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heavy_handss · Nov 22, 2014

swagdelfadeel said: ↑

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Norton did beat ali once, you can argue twice, ( foreman said that norton won the 3 Times) , schmeling stopped a prime joe Louis, it is not even a debate, both Men rank higher than liston.
José Louis García was a huge puncher BY the way

swagdelfadeel · Nov 22, 2014

heavy_handss said: ↑

Norton did beat ali once, you can argue twice, ( foreman said that norton won the 3 Times) , schmeling stopped a prime joe Louis, it is not even a debate, both Men rank higher than liston.
José Louis García was a huge puncher BY the way
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Trevor berbick and Leon Spinks also beat Ali once so do they rank higher than Liston as we'll? Louis was young and not prime when he lost to Louis. Using your logic, They rank higher than foreman as well.

BlackCloud · Jan 26, 2016

swagdelfadeel said: ↑

I always felt that, out of heavyweight history, if you were looking for a perfect opponent to stop Evander Holyfield, Sonny Liston would have been it. Sonny was exactly the kind of opponent, Holyfield struggled so much against and, if I could draw a parallel between this fight and any other from his career, it would most likely have been the first Lewis fight. However the difference I expect is that it would have been significantly more intense and it wouldn't go the distance. Evander Holyfield was a great champion and a man of exceptional boxing skill. But considering his mentality, he was a fighter first and foremost, and this is what would cause his demise in this match.

The Match:

Round 1: they both start at slower pace, Liston taking the center of the ring, jabbing and looking for his opening and Holyfield relaxed, staying out, moving well and trying jab with him early. Both are cautious in the beginning not wanting to make any mistakes. Near the end of the round Liston goes for a right hand lead, but Holyfield times him, weaves and gets through with a solid left hook counter, which gets his attention. 10-9 Holyfield

Round 2: starts in similar fashion with Evander staying on the outside, moving laterally and trying to box and Liston intense, just looking for his opportunity. He notices that Holyfield may be getting a little to comfortable early and at one moment suddenly he steps in, cracks him with a 1-2, right hand gets through the guard and there's the knock down. It's flash and Holyfield isn't hurt, but he now realizes in no uncertain terms who he's up against here. Liston dominates the rest of the round and looks to get him with a couple of more big shots, but Holyfield is ready for them. 10-8 Liston

Round 3: Liston takes the initiative now and opens up with a jab and two crushing body hooks which definitely hurt Evander. He goes quickly for another assault but gets tied up in the clinch. Holyfield takes advantage here and gets him with a solid uppercut just as they break up but Liston takes it well. Moments after they both come in with a 1-2, but Liston follows up with a killer left hook which only just misses. He pushes forward again and gets Holyfield on the ropes where he lands few more solid body shots as the round ends. 10-9 Liston

Round 4: Liston taking the center again, looking to unleash his attack and turn this into a brawl. But at one moment he over commits as he lunges with a left hand, misses, goes of balance and Holyfield catches him with a short right hand on the temple which hurts him. Liston covers up as Holyfield now comes after him. He fires in a 1-2 then a left hook to the body and another to the head and another right hook after it, but Liston manages to weather the storm, he blocks most of that well and ties him up after the last shot. After the break Holyfield tries to unleash again but is met by a stiff jab which stops him in his tracks for the moment. He finishes strong non the less and gets through with another combo right on the bell. 10-9 Holyfield.

Round 5: Liston is now recovered and he starts powering forward again, but more cautiously this time around. He comes through with a double jab - right hand which sends Holyfield backwards. Liston follows him on the ropes looking to open up, but Holyfield moves out well. Evander now with a left hand of his own, but Liston walks right through it and cracks him with a solid left hook counter and now an exchange breaks out and he gets the better of it. Another exchange as the round ends and again it goes to Liston. 10-9 Liston

Round 6: starts very aggressively. Holyfield wastes no time and nails Liston with a solid left hook lead, but Sonny takes it and fires right back. Now a fight is breaking out and this is exactly what Holyfield doesn't need. They get into another trade where Liston gets through with a huge right hook which rocks Holyfield as they clinch up. The referee breaks them up, but Evander now is seriously shaken. Sonny picks up on that immediately and takes full advantage. Quickly he steps in, fakes a jab and crushes him with a crippling right hand lead and Holyfield goes down hard. He manages to beat the count, but only just and now Liston is all over him. He bulls him on the ropes and unleashes. A short right to the temple sends Holyfield stumbling to the side as Liston jumps right after him and fires in another wide left hook which drops Evander again. Miraculously he picks him self up again, but he is out on his feet now and this match is all but over. Another quick barrage by Liston finished by a big left uppercut after which the ref jumps in to stop it as Holyfield sinks down again.

Liston by TKO in 6.
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This guy as well?........
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110425214828AA6pVEG

swagdelfadeel · Jan 26, 2016

BlackCloud said: ↑

This guy as well?........
https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110425214828AA6pVEG
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As I've said, (for the one millionth time) much of those users copy what I say.

You are honestly the biggest troll here. You bring up a point, ignore the rebuttal and bring the point up again. Whatever I'm done with you, your clearly doing this to try to get the attention of other users here, (and it's not even working ). I'm just gonna put you on ignore. :hi:

Bummy Davis · Jan 26, 2016

Evander could not be bullied, he stopped Tyson 2X and Sonny would not survive him

dpw417 · Jan 27, 2016

I think a prime Real Deal takes Liston late, taking his heart in the process.

THE BLADE 2 · Jan 29, 2016

Very close fight. The best version of Holyfield may take this by a controversial split decision.

Remember, even if he was not at his best, Holyfield did have lots of trouble with mercer. Liston was better than Mercer.

foreman&dempsey · Jan 29, 2016

Close fight. But if bowe could do what he did i have absolutely no reason to think that liston could not do the same

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