Wlad Will Be The Greatest Heavyweight of All Time....He Might Already Be.

No isn't it and won't be considered number 1

 

Did you just make my point for me?

 

All of Wlads undefeated opponents would tear a hole and dominate the heavy weight roster of the old eras.:bbb

 

:yep Agreed, he'd get ****ed off if somebody posted what the ATGs opponents actually did. There's a different level of scrutiny for what's happening versus what happened. It takes a bit of effort to look at what the past actually was whereas you just have to be awake to know what's going on now. Hence a lot of people talking about how "skillful" the old timers were but ignore that during the good old days the champ sometimes made a defense versus an opponent who only had 2 fights previously. There's no way that **** would fly today.

 

the early KO losses and a viable opponent hurt his resume too much to call him the greatest but regardless he has been a dominant champion for 8 years (as well as holding the belt in a 7 fight streak previously)

I wouldnt call him the greatest but if he unifies the WBC belt against Stiverne/Wilder and beats the winner of Fury/Chisora then you cant argue he belongs up there with the best of them

 

Depends what you see and understand in Excessive. How many is Excessive? Thats why i say some of the rules are by the discretion of the judge.
How many fight Wlad have, that there is excessive clinching ? 2-3-4 ?
And why i didnt receive answer if Wlad is only cliching and not fighting then why against Leapai there was 3-4 clinches for the entire match, but in the Boytzov - Leapai there was probably more then 100 ?
I wasnt happy wtih the Povetkin fight as well, but im pretty sure a lot of tall fighter will go to the same if they wanna win against Povetkin and hes charging and playing low all night style.
Lennox, Ali and many more use a lot of clichnes but i dont see they receive so much hate for that.
Just i mention if Wlad was american there wasnt be so much **** talk about clinches and other s***.
So what, he have 3 loses, but Ali have 5, and have less matches then Klitschko ....
Also Klitschko was beaten, not replaced like Tyson and he learn his lesson pretty well from this loses. This is the great champ, he was at top, after the loses he was at the very bottom, but he show what heart and will he have and from there he rules the divison !!!

 

So, kick Ali, Lewis, Holmes and the rest out.......................Vlad knocked Pulev out with a left hook, not a clinch. Clinching is legal, look at Mayweather, that's all he does is clinch, but not a word about that Chicken **** who is still running from Pac...................

Vladimir Klitschko is the best heavyweight in the world today by far..................Bunch of kids claiming that Vlad has never won a fight is absurd....................and the same ones who claim that Wilder has fought only the best fighters in the world, the greatest heavyweight of all time., yeah, Vlad knocked him down with a jab while sparring for the Wach fight and flattened him with a left hook.......................

 

Best knockouts in the heavyweight division 2014
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QU0BkJclFc

 

The Povetkin match is a prime example of his using it as a tactic and it's not just clinching and holding, is it? It wasn't designed to just smother and tie Povetikin up but to also wrestle him, lean on him with all his weight, pushing, headlocking and throwing him down to the canvas (on at least a couple of occasions, the latter type of fouling also wrongfully counted towards Wlad scoring a KD - to add insult to injury by some of the worst refereeing I have ever witnessed). This was excessive to the point of being worthy of a DQ. More than half of the fight is littered with this c.rap.

Almost all of his championship bouts involve him leaning over and down on his opponents (The Leapai bout is no exception, by the way - Less than 15 seconds into the fight, Wlad arches over and leans down on Leapai; nearing the end of the first minute of the first round Wlad almost mounts Leapai. The pattern continues). The more live his opponent; the bigger the threat - the more frequently Wlad engages in fouling his opponent. And, Leapai posed not even the remotest threat.

Perhaps because you didn't ask me anything about the Lepai bout. Lay off the absinthe and see the previous two comments above.

That's a partial relief but doesn't change the fact that several posts ago, you were advocating and praising Wlad for his illegal tactics, as though they were a difficult skill, which Wlad has mastered.

Nowhere near to the extent and the manner in which Wlad has done and still does. Ali and Lewis were, quite simply, vastly more skilled than Wlad.

This last section is irrelevant, in terms of what I asked you initially. I still contend that to give praise to Wlad, as follows: "To be so effective and to 'enter' in clinches so successful without being hit its so f**** hard. Wlad use clinches as his tactic and its very effective" is a very bizarre set of statements in support of a so-called ATG Heavyweight.

 

I ask you a question, and i didnt see an answer. Against Povetkin you are talking nonsenses. Povetkin have tactic and that was to charge at Wlad and playing low, so Povetkin didnt play fair and square right ?
And wtf you see i prise illegal tactics? And who the **** decide that clinches is illegal tactics? Is there a specific rule that say how many clinches is allowed?
Referee is there for that. And yes Lennox use A LOT OF clinches and if you dont wanna admit it, im done with you. Go watch Tyson - Lennox fight.
There is a lot of otheres matches where Lennox, Ali and even Holy use a lot of clinches, and so what ?
No one play exact by the rules, the referee is there for that.
And vs Leapai there was 3-4 clinches and you say nothing about that and about Leapai - Boytzov match.
If your opponent is 30cm shorter then you, its obviously that you going to use your str on him. And thats not doing only by Wlad.
Leapai try to throw and suplex Klitschko, so is this legal ? Is rabit punches from Kubrat legal ? Samuel Peter send Klitschko in canvas by punches in the back of the head. How exactly Brester "KO" Wlad? Is playing too low all night is legal ? Cause commentators on Povetkin - Huck match was thinking how the f**** referee not see Povetkin low playing as a fault and not get point reduction ...He do the same vs Wlad, but Wlad is not a Huck ...
So in some degree everyone cheat in your logic ....
The referee is there for that. I say it for last time, some of the rules are by the discretion of the judge/referee.
Going to work.

 

Don't bother. They only see what they want to see and for some reason when you point out the old timers aren't as great as they think they make some weird comment ( criticism maybe? ) that you've been looking at their boxing records...atsch

 

You're not really reading what I've written but nevermind.

As far as you're concerned, it was all Povetkin's fault - Way to go absolving Wlad for that particular dog's dinner of a fight! Which means you think that his behaviour is acceptable.

No surprise there, really. It falls in line with your praise for Wladimir using these type of tactics. That's your choice.

But I disagree - not only with your advocating of it but also your seeming inability to distinguish between what Wlad does and what other Boxers, past and present, have done and do. Wlad's fouling is far more extreme, pre-meditated (probably trained for) thus, blatantly purposeful and can consume large sections of the fight, taking away from the actual Boxing.

Of course some clinching/holding/grappling is part of the sport but, as I pointed out in my previous post, where Wlad is concerned, it's not just limited to clinching and holding, is it? But, again - nevermind - I am sure your are not being ignorant on purpose.

Unfortunately, I don't find Wlad's fouling as acceptable as you do (and certainly not praise-worthy, which - again - was the reason for my initial response to your post, which did just that). I also cannot see any real comparisons with other fighters and the level of fouling that you are trying to make.

Still, you keep on supporting him and his effective use of fouling, as I am sure you will. I don't and won't.

 

There's only one problem here. He isn't the greatest heavyweight of all time.

 

For what reason are you piping up, exactly? You clearly haven't been following this particular line of debate.

If you are going to butt-in with comments on other people's conversations, at least have the common courtesy to make them relevant to the topic being discussed - rather than just making a blanket criticism of those who do not necessarily follow the path of the Klitschko devotee.

For now, just get back in your box.

 

Wlad's clinching has defo come on leaps and bounds. When Sanders had him rocked in 03 he just stood square on taking more big shots, even a headbutt. Now he would clinch his way to the bell, recuperate and land a good night left hook or right hand at some point. Even if you hit Wlad good it's not going to be good enough nowadays.