Is it Possible we Overrate Duran?

Go watch duran fight then tell me hes overrated. Clowns on here know **** about boxing. Duran does rank around 10-7 all time. If he is overrated what the hell is floyd mayweather????

 

Overrated as well?

 

As long as you are prepared to accept you're wrong, of course you could.

 

American!!

Which makes a huge difference to a lot of people on these boards. Though why exactly, is puzzling, because that country is well over rated in this day and age.

 

I don't think it's as bad as you're saying but it is way way outdated. Last update was in 2005. :yikes

I take it you're not a great Langford fan?

 

People act like you're questioning whether or not the world is round. It's her worship at it's finest.

 

I think I would begin having pause not too long after number 15.

 

Duran was a great fighter and top 10 lb4lb IMO I have him and Leonard neck and neck for 135 and Duran proved his greatness moving up and sporadically getting into condition from time to time

 

In all honesty it depends on how you feel about a lot of turn of the century boxers, guys like Gans, Packey McFarland, Tommy Ryan, and the original Walcott. Or how you feel about beating multiple ATG'S. Could you rate Canzoneri or Ross above him?

 

Most have Langford in the top 5 ATG. I guess it depends on what criteria is used. Does one use a mythical H2H match up with fighters who came a 100 years later, or does one rank a fighter based on who he beat at the time he was fighting? Seems to me the later would be better.

 

Yes. While there is no doubt Duran was one of the best 5 light weights of all time his competition level wasn't great at lightweight and he won his key match via low blow while up on points. No re-match was given.

Duran had some uneven performances for an all world types. PArt of that was his fault. Part could indicate he could not adapt to certain styles as well.

Duran was KO'd by one punch early and quit in a high stakes match without an injury. I think he had some issues with slick speedy boxers. His power which was good a light weight did not carry well as he moved up in weight.

But telling this to his fans is a different story.

 

Durans power did carry up the weights well. Of course he wasn't going to be a one punch ko artist which he was at times from bantam to lightweight but his power carried well all the way up to middle weight. Leonard saying every punch Duran landed hurt bad. The unhurtable Hagler's face was busted up like never before. The hot fav Davie Moore took a beating that's hard to watch such was the sadistic brutality. Duran even put the huge middle and eventual light heavy Iran Barkley hard on his ass. Barkley said he was surprised how much weight Duran put behind his punches.

 

You could argue anything, but it's bordering on ******ed to say that, let alone try and argue it.

 

You can say anything you want, as long as it's factually correct, and much of what you said simply isn't.

I don't know if you realize it or not, but apparently the low blow took place as a result of Duran trying to throw a punch as the bell rang and the ref pushed him thereby deflecting the punch from it's intended target. In affect the ref inadvertently assisted in this happening.

"Upon closer inspection of the famed low blow, referee Johnny LoBianco can be seen standing behind Durán as the bell rang and immediately grabbed Durán in a bear hug-like style to pull Durán away from Buchanan. LoBianco can clearly be seen in the video altering the direction of Duran's right arm, pulling it downward as Durán attempted to throw a clean body punch at Buchanan; thus the infamous ridicule of Durán intentionally throwing a low blow was born."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roberto_Durán

At the time it happened, going into the 13th round, the referee and both judges had Duran ahead by a wide margin. Referee Johnny LoBianco had the fight scored 8-3-1, judge Bill Recht had it 9-2-1, and judge Jack Gordon called it 8-3-1. The Associated Press scorecard favored Duran 9-3.

After the fight, referee LoBianco said, "The bell rang, and they didn't hear it. Duran landed a hard blow to the solar plexus area. It was a fair blow." Sports Illustrated reported: "Later in the week, slow-motion replays of the television film seemed to convince LoBianco that the Scot was hit below the belt."

Sports Illustrated reported: "The fact is that he [Buchanan] was never in this fight, and he dropped his title as if it were a stick of dynamite. Generously, he won two rounds and drew another. Beyond that, it was all Duran as he bared the white of his mouthpiece, not to suck in breath but out of disdain, and chased the Scot into the ropes, a part of the ring's geography that is evil country for a boxer beset by a puncher."

http://boxrec.com/media/index.php/Ken_Buchanan_vs._Roberto_Duran

As far as a rematch was concerned, here's what Gil Clancy, Buchanan's train had to say about that.

Regardless of the circumstances of the fight's conclusion, Buchanan took a beating throughout the bout and required hospitalization and surgery. Buchanan never received a rematch with Duran during the remainder of his boxing career; according to Gil Clancy this was because of no fan interest.


It was also known that Buchanan was an excellent boxer who had recently beat another excellent boxer by the name of Isamail Laguna not once, but twice. Other good/great boxers Duran beat were the Viruet brothers, and Takayama, just to name a couple.

As to power in the higher weight categories, he beat Cuevas who was known as a power welterweight (champ), Moore, Barkley, so it seems to me he had plenty of power at the high weight divisions. What he didn't have was a great training regiment.

But this idea that the Buchanan fight was a close contest and but for the low blow Buchanan might have won, is complete and utter bull ****. Even his trainer said there was no interest in a rematch.