Liston vs Lewis.

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  1. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Power - Sonny

    Speed - Lennox

    Chin - Sonny

    Endurance - Even

    Size - Lennox

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    Boxers who gave Sonny trouble - Conventional, outside, speedy boxers

    Boxers who gave Lennox trouble - Hard hitters who got inside and messed with rhythem and turned it into a "fight"

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    Sonny would probably get a short, sharp shock early in the fight. He'd try to establish his jab but it wouldn't work against a bigger, more rhythmic Lennox Lewis who jab him and land some hard rights for the first few (1-3) rounds.

    Like he did against Cleveland Williams, Sonny would drastically change his gameplan and go for Lennox's biggest weakness - his chin. Very shaky, very suspect. If Rahman and McCall could knock Lennox OUT then Sonny could knock him DEAD.

    After a few rounds of getting beaten up on the outside Sonny starts using his underrated defense - moves inside and roughs Lennox up, shocking him and knocking him off his gameplan.

    Hard right-straight stuns Lennox and as he backs up a huge 84" left hook scores home on his open chin and as with most victims of a clean Liston left hook - he goes into a long sleep.

    KO6 Sonny Liston
     
  2. Vanboxingfan

    Vanboxingfan Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    If anything power should be even. I also don't think hard hitters with the exception of Mercer give Lewis all that much trouble, if that were the case that would mean he would have lost to Tua, Morrison, Ruddock, Golota and Tyson, just to name a few.

    Chin - to me it's a myth that Lewis has a weak chin. He was down twice in his entire career against a host of big punchers. Against McCall they both threw their punches at the same time, and McCall's landed first, meaning Lewis never saw it coming, and he was up before the count. Against Rahman, he simply arrived too late to get himself in proper condition and really didn't do anything to prevent that shot from landing. But if your intent is to focus on the worst of Lewis and best of Liston you've done a good job. But let's not forget that he was Ko'd by Martin. That aside I think both of them have good chins and I personally discount the two losses Liston had against Ali as aberrations.

    But were they to fight, I'd pick Lewis to win, he simply had more tools than Liston did and if Liston were to get on the inside, he very well might find himself eating a couple of hellacious upper cuts. But I wouldn't call it a huge upset regardless of who won but since you have already conceded that Lewis would likely win a decision, he certainly goes into the fight with an advantage.
     
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  3. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Yes because Lewis is doing what Williams couldn't do. :lol:
     
  4. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Liston is a myth. Lewis blows through him.
     
  5. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Sorry but why would you think Williams would be superior to Lewis?
     
  6. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    I do not think he was better overall. but in punching power, speed, and chin, he was superior to Lewis. And those are the three main things contributing to an early knockout. I pointed this out because a poster said Lewis knocks Liston out in the first five rounds.
     
  7. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Unfortunately I have to admit I don't know or have seen enough of Williams to dispute what you say about the level of his attributes.
     
  8. Brixton Bomber

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    If Rahman can starch Lennox, Sonny also can.
     
  9. PowerPuncher

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    Lewis is better at everything.

    Lewis has the far more proven puncher and far more proven chin. It's nowhere near close
     
  10. Foxy 01

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    Everything about this post is false. I've seen both Williams and Lewis fight ( and not on old film ) and Williams has nothing as good as Lewis in any department.

    As for the fools saying if Rahman can KO Lewis so can Liston, you might just as well say if Kevin McBride can KO Tyson, then he could KO Lewis too.

    What part of Lewis thought Rahman was a kunt, ( which he proved beyond a shadow of a doubt in the rematch ) and didn't bother training properly for him, are these idiots having trouble understanding?
     
  11. lepinthehood

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  12. ForemanJab

    ForemanJab Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Absolute nonsense this guy is posting. I can't believe someone actually thinks Cleveland Williams is better than LL...I'm speechless.

    Just look at the man himself. He was by today's standard a very small HW. At one point he weighed in for a HW fight at 192lbs. The guy was a natural cruiserweight.

    Look at Cleveland Williams win opposition. It consists of nothing else besides bums(avg opp record 15-7), sub cruisers(median opp weight 199lbs) and featherfists(only 2 out of 78 wins against opp win higher KO% than 60).

    His KO% is only 63 and his was KO'd by a 176lbs bum Bob Satterfield(33-16 record at fight time).
     
  13. Azzer85

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    People seem to forget, Frank Bruno was outboxing Lewis before he got caught. Is Bruno better than Liston?
     
  14. ForemanJab

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    I am certain that it was actually 2-3 inches shorter than even that. when fought Muhammad Ali(78 inch reach) and Cleveland Williams(79 inch reach) he was at a clear reach disadvantage.

    The 15 inch hand measurement is bogus as well. Primo Carnera and Nikolai Valuev, two men who were much larger than Liston had acromegaly, a condition where pituitary gland stimulates excess growth hormone that makes bones grow much larger than normal. Their fist measurements both are at 14.5 inches. There is no way a much smaller man without a bone growth condition like acromegaly is going to have a larger hand measurement.

    http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/236x/c6/28/91/c62891cffc48adfbac04c2a2041a8804.jpg

    http://www.boxing.com/images/sized/images/articles/sonny_1-530x317.jpg


    Andre the giant actually had 15 inch fists and this is what they looked like:

    http://i.imgur.com/M8u1vdf.jpg
     
  15. swagdelfadeel

    swagdelfadeel Obsessed with Boxing

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    Let me explain it to you since you are obviously not the sharpest knife in the drawer. Williams is NOT superior to Lewis. He is only superior in the following categories. Speed, Chin, and Power.