Carlos Monzon v Carl Froch

That's why they have weight divisions man,...I mean I've seen threads with SRR losing to some inferior fighters in higher weight classes. Some fighters found their ideal weight class and stayed with it. Monzon and Hagler are two such fighters...maybe Bob Foster should have done the same. Not all fighters are so wise or so fortunate. I personally think that division hopping isn't the great thing that it's made up to be unless it's done out of absolute necessity, as when a fighter simply grows out of a division. I think Monzon may have done rather well in the super middle class, as he was a very big middle, but no higher. Wilfredo Gomez looked excellent in stepping up to feather and outclassing Juan LaPorte, but over all, it wasn't worth it. Maybe he should have made the necessary sacrifices and remained in the 122 division....I mean, he was unmatched in that class, and with only 3 punds of difference in that class and featherweight. It was his magic division.

 

I wasn't blaming monzon for not stepping up in weight or anything, but if matched against a lhw, it is clearly relevant to the match that he never fought one.

edit; i'm calling froch a lhw because that's where he weighs in the ring (at least)

 

I said "almost", as in his footwork is clumsy, he stumbles around a bit, his movement is awkward. But you know this.

Froch isn't that much bigger. 10 pounds maybe.
Froch is really easy to hit. I suppose that's what makes his style so "unusual".
And he's not KOing Monzon, that's pure fantasy.

I'm not sure when or how Froch became so overrated. Strangely, his rating even seemed to increase with his struggles against the novice George Groves.

I know Monzon is a middleweight, and almost certainly wouldn't pick Carlos Monzon over a great light-heavyweight. But Froch is far from great, and not much more than 168 pounds in the ring.
Not good enough. And while he's a bit bigger than Monzon, he's not big enough to off set that huge gulf in class.

 

Froch makes 168 easily and weighs only a few pounds more in the ring.
Froch himself said that light-heavy is too big for him.
So, really, he's hardly much bigger than Monzon or some of Monzon's opponents.

 

If you want to talk about struggles with " novices " explain how Monzon in his 36th outing only manages to draw with a guy having only his 5th fight, of which he'd lost 4.

The usual ESB ****e.

Monzon was class so he is gonna beat Froch. What a load of bollox. All people have got to do on here is retire and they become superman, or even better if they are fvcking dead.

 

I have gained a lot of respect for Froch, he is a warrior and has some decent skills but he would be outclassed by Monzon but hang tough and lose a UD with some nice highlights

 

mostly fair enough, I don't know about anyone else but froch is a world level fighter to me, and i think his record reflects that. (different to having world class skills).

i'd heard ring weight in the mid to high 170's for froch, but that could be wrong and you're right if he is more like 170 it changes my prediction slightly.

what makes his style 'unusual' is that not many people fight like him. Does he take shots? of course, does he win those fights? also yes.

groves clearly concussed him with that 1st kd in fight 1, to come back from that and survive the next few rounds while basically a zombie was ****ing impressive to me, and froch is 2-0 vs groves so what if he struggled?
groves might not be the next sugar ray, but he had done a lot more than most 17 fight pros, and has such a huge handspeed advantage he'd trouble anyone as slow as froch (he'd trouble monzon for a few rounds too).

no result in sport is pure fantasy, that's just naive to say. Also hurting someone does not only mean a ko win, it is very helpfull in winning on points.

 

For reference sake the biggest guy Monzon beat was 178 pounds. The biggest guy he beat that could fight a little was 170 pounds. The biggest guy he beat that could fight ok was Juan Aguilar. No weight listed but probably in the mid 160s.

 

the idea a guy weighing in at 168 the day before is going to be the same weight as monzon or his opponents, some of the more notable of who weren't big middles with same day weights, seems wrong to me, even if froch is lighter in the ring than i thought 10lbs is not insignificant. modern 175 might be too big for froch, but he would have been a lhw in monzons era.

 

Monzon has NINE draws on his record.
I think it's because he was so good that some guys were gifted draws if they went the distance.

 

... and in that case, he'd be up against John Conteh or something like that.
Put him in the 1970s and no one would have heard of him.

 

It was common in Latin America that you had to win by a big enough margin in order to get the victory. I think by at least three rounds but I'll research later. That's why all those guys like Monzon and Locche and even Jofre have so many draws on their record.

 

I Could see Froch winning this and I'm not a Froch fan. A lot of Monzon's intangibles are going to be negated by the step up in weight. Monzon was not a great athlete or a virtuoso boxer. He was a very good boxer whose will, size and toughness carried him over the line in a weak era.

 

So I reiterate, why couldn't he in his 36th fight convincingly beat a guy that had had 5 fights losing 4 of them if he was such a " class " fighter? Could you see Hagler, Hearns, Jackson, McClellan, Hopkins drawing with a guy with a record of 1 - 4 - 0 in their prime's?

 

Carl Froch would've been a good LHW contender in the 1970s.

Froch Vs Yaqui Lopez would be a tremendous fight, and Froch could win it.

Monzon is overrated by rose-tinted spectacle wearing, yarn-spinning, harking back old timers who assign suoernatural feats to fighters who never gave an indication they could do them purely because they overrate old timers.

Monzon is without a doubt one of the most overrated middleweights ever.

Carl Froch recently said he weighs about 13 and a half stone usually. So I would say he puts on at least 7lbs after the weigh in and would be a good LHW in Monzon's era, something the Argie never faced.

Conteh would make a right c u n t out of Monzon as well, so poor comparison there.

Galindez also gets overrated.