Weightlifting for Boxing - What to...

Boooring. You remember that post where I said to be funny and say something original? You're making us trolls look bad you noob.

 

All things equal the stronger fighter will win almost every time.
By all things equal, I mean hand speed, conditioning, technical skill, and all of that good stuff.
So it can only benefit a fighter to be stronger.
Bo, and Al are different guys, and have different strengths/weaknesses, but put Bo on a solid strength program while keeping his conditioning, and he's gonna thump Al even more convincingly.

 

Kettlebells are cool, but not as scale-able as barbells.
Your using 2 60lb bells, and want to move up 5lbs, and can't because kettle bells don't go up in 2.5lb increments.
They are usefull, but no more so than barbells, and I can put 2.5's on for small jumps if needed.
Plus they cost a lot more with no added benefit aside from the ease of using 1 hand lifts compared to barbells.
They are a good supplement no doubt, but they also are not reinventing the wheel, and have been around for over 100 years in the shadow of barbells for a reason.

Olympic lifters weighing 300lbs have 11ft verts, so all of those squats, and cleans with barbells can't be wrong.

 

There are many exercises you can perform with a barbell, that you can't with a kettlebell. That we can agree.

However, what are the core muscles necessary for athletic performance in boxing.

What works those muscles? Take the swing for instance, you work the hip hinge which is critical for almost any athletic movement.

What is the formula? F=MA right?

So take a heavy deadlift. M increases, A decreases.

For a kettlebell swing, M decreases, but A increases. F stays the same, assuming you're increasing the load as you get stronger.

You're right, you can't increase weight as incrementally as you can with barbells and there tends to be a relatively sharp learning curve when you increase a weight by 18 lbs, but eventually your body adjusts to the load and you become efficient at it.

A one armed swing with a 100 lb kettlebell produces quite a bit of force.

In my own experience, despite not working out specifically for certain calisthenic movements like the flag for instance, I've found that I can still perform these movements because of the kettlebell exercises I perform on a regular basis.

In addition to building strength, I am also building tremendous stamina and all around fitness.

While you can get injured with anything you do, I feel like the lower weight of the kettlebell reduces the chances of injury when you're in a fatigued state, although that's highly subjective.

Regarding a 300 lb Olympic lifter, they would easily get outboxed by a guy like Klitschko or Wilder or any competent boxer.

They don't have the muscular durability to maintain that tension for the duration of a boxing match. They have the chance of scoring an early knockout, but after that, what good are they?

Don't get me wrong, there have been examples of strong men competing at high levels in boxing, like when Tony Galento floored Joe Louis, but after the intial attack, Tony was gassed and finished.

I think Type 2A muscles fibers are most optimal for boxing.

 

I don't think we really disagree.
I just feel kettlebells are better suited as accessory work, and not a main lift, and the best parallel is the power clean which is an equally explosive lift with more potential for big numbers being put up due to the amount of weight you can slap on a barbell.
How many gyms has 100lb+ kettle bells?
I have not witnessed the biggest power cleans ever but have seen a body builder put up 315 on the lift. He would be out of luck with kettle bells, and most people can't afford a whole set of bells anyway, but a 300lb barbell set is only $200.
So barbells are also more practical, and realistic for most people's funds.
As for the Oly lifter vs. a boxer. Sure your right the Oly Lifter won't be competitive. I was pointing out how explosive they were, and that Cleans, and Squats are enough to develop fast twitch muscles.
Otherwise 5'10 300lb men would not be able to jump as high as 6'7 200lb. NBA basketball players.

 

Answer to the deadlift problem=Speed deadlift with 50-65% of your max, or of course Powercleans.

 

Deadlifts regardless of the speed aren't the best for transfer to sport, as you're slowing down when you should be speeding up. Clean pulls are a better alternative.

 

Keep in mind boxers normally reduce weight when prepping for a bout instead of bulking up.

 

So how do you think lifting weights metal ones, has on the 3 major energy systems, as regards athletic sports and movement. Friends of mine think there are problems. your views.

 

And...?

 

Lifting weights has very little to do with the energy systems. Some people use weights for a cardio workout and there are problems there besides being largely a waste of time.
Lifting weights is about increasing absolute and relative strength/power. That's what makes you a faster, stronger and less injury prone athlete. The movements you use to get stronger and more powerful aren't meant to mimic sports movement, they're meant to develop physical qualities, that transfer to your sporting movement. A clean pull for example has a lot of transfer to most sports, as you're accelerating with load through the triple extension. That will make you jump higher, run faster, throw faster. And it's a simple movement. Most people would look at a clean pull and think it's a deadlift. A deadlift is good for basic strength but there is little transfer to sport due to the fact you're locking your hips and knees together, and you're decelerating at the point you're accelerating during your sporting movements.
That's why you need to understand movement and the physical quality you're trying to develop. Putting weight training in a basket labelled 'good' or 'bad' is idiotic. It depends on what you're looking at and what you want to achieve. And there's a reason why every top athlete in the world has sessions in the weight room.

 

They should watch what they eat then, so they can keep the junk training to a minimum.

 

So how about using springs instead, benefit, or not.

 

I don't understand what you mean? Do you mean so there is more tension/load as the moment arm gets smaller? That's why chains are used with weights.

 

Plus bands too, your thoughts, they work both ways.