How Many Previous Champs Does Wlad Beat?

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  1. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    Alright. This is going the route of Dinovelvet. Wlad has defended against far more than 3 good opponents… Pulev, Haye, Chavaev, Ibragimov, Povetkin, Peter x2, Brock, Brewster… these were all at the very least good, certainly as good as Louis' list, Marciano's short list of old-timers and butter*****, Liston's non-reign, Frazier's short reign, Holmes' list of green opponents and no-hopers… I heard it all.

    I've lived through Holmes, Holyfield and Lewis, all derided by their contemporaries… By about the time of Lewis I began to understand that contemporary opinion, especially of heavyweights, is pretty hack and up for proper revision years later. I have been extremely wary of that trap since. In another decade or two, Wlad will find his proper level. And if one needs any reference, I have found numerous citations of the likes of Johnson, Tunney, Louis, Marciano, Patterson, Liston and early Ali being treated in such a manner.
     
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  4. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    My question was what were the height and weight advantages in his LAST fight, obviously you are a dumbass because you can't read properly.

    Trying to arrange a fight in an airport of all places really does show your lack of intelligence don't you agree?? :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
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  6. HerolGee

    HerolGee Loyal Member banned Full Member

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    seamus you are now a proven liar, see post above, so now I ignore your lies instead of trying to show you they are wrong.
     
  7. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    I can list out Tim Bradleys record. Will that make him an ATG?

    Show me the performance where you can say - thats one of the greatest fighters of all time right there. Will you show it to me please.

    Andy Lee is a greater fighter than Wlad as far as im concerned. Stopping a highly tipped prospect with an exchange on the inside as the smaller man.
    You won't ever see Wlad doing that even tho he's the much huger and more powerful man.
    Banging out guys with super human power is not what boxing is about.
    Greatness is about performance and skills. You can talk about Wlads grreatness all you want, but show it to me???
     
  8. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Fair enough, but what is the reason for almost the entire boxing world agreeing with you? Why do you think that very nearly everyone in boxing would rank Wlad above Lee p4p? What is the route of the disagreement between yourself and almost every other person in or interested in boxing?

    I disagree with this completely. Greatness is about achievement. You can look like total ****, but if you beat a load of good fighters that's far, far more impressive than looking good.
     
  9. Flea Man

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    The second Peter fight is in no way a notable opponent for Wlad.

    Saying that, I would give Wlad a good chance to beat any heavyweight champ not called Lennox Lewis.

    Rid**** Bowe might be a toss up too.

    Wlad is truly one of the most formidable heavyweights in history.
     
  10. Seamus

    Seamus Proud Kulak Full Member

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    You know you can't win an argument with me so I agree you are far better off to refrain from response.

    So, in being corrected (I thought Meehan had won 3 but he had won only 2) Dempsey was almost as regular (sic) beaten by Meehan as Wlad was beaten by supposed journeymen and retirees. Dempsey was also cold ****ed in one by washed up Jim Flynn if that helps to even matters…
     
  11. dinovelvet

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    Lee fought his Povetkin last night yeah?

    He traded with him as the smaller man and banged him out in the 5th. He was clean , neat and tidy in his boxing.

    Now Wlad towered over Povetkin in size and weight and his only approach was to foul him horribly for 12 terrible rounds.

    On that basis alone , Lee is the better fighter in my book.

    And look , im not always wrong.

    http://www.boxingforum24.com/showpost.php?p=16721819&postcount=73

    You have to impress and look good. Thats the whole point of watching boxing.
    We don't watch to see a result on paper.
     
  12. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    I know all this. It's nothing to do with what I said. What I asked you was why, do you think, the entire boxing world (practically) disagrees with you? Why is it that almost everyone associated with boxing ranks Wlad above Lee.

    Why is that, do you think?
     
  13. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Wlad ranks above Rigo. Does that mean he's a better fighter than him??
    The answer is No.
     
  14. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    Yes, but that doesn't answer my question either. I'm going to ask one more time.

    Why do YOU think that almost the entire boxing world would disagree with you that Andy Lee is better than Wladimir Klitschko?
     
  15. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Do they? So far im only hearing this supposed fact from you.

    There might be more than you think. Most people I know think Wlad is a joke.
     
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