Lyle vs Williams.

Williams had fast hands, but was painfully slow in getting off. He needed to plant his feet and be really set before unloading, so I don't know if his speedadvantage would be that big. Both men had the power to stop the other, but Ron is the more proven fighter in my book so I'll go with him. I agree that you can't go to the ropes against Williams, if he was aloud to get set he was a devestating puncher with good speed and precision.

 

Id pick Lyle by a country mile. Im still waiting for the names of these top fighters Williams KOd that show he was such a devastating puncher. Lyle could box and punch and could take a good shot. His only real problem was he could fall asleep at the wheel but I dont think that would be enough to lose him a match against Williams.

 

I don't doubt Williams power, plenty of people told about it. But he wasn't a very good puncher in my book, he was just to slow in getting off. Because of that I feel quite certain that Patterson would have beaten him. I agree that Lyle should beat him, he beat the better men, but I also feel he gets a bit overrated these days.

 

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Patterson wouldnt have to go the entire fight without getting hit, he would get Williams out of there before that. It is not like Cleveland had an ironchin himself. Patterson had sufficient power to stop him, he would use his speed and get in before Williams could get set. I don't care if Floyd was a nice guy, what I do care about is the fact that he faced and beat Moore, Johansson, Machen, Chuvalo and Bonavena who were all on the same or on a higher level than Williams. (Chuvalo and Bonavena were clearly stronger) He was superior fighter than Williams, to compare him with Leon Spinks is ridiculous. Before you reply and continue to degrade Patterson, consider that he is your Liston's best win. I don't think you want to go down that road!

 

Really? Terrell is what you hang your hat on? The same Terrell who was fighting his first big fight and only his third fight away from home and on Williams home turf? Whatever. Its not like Terrell had an iron jaw anyway. Id pick Lyle dropping Foreman and outpointing Ali in two losses over anything Cleveland did in any of his wins or losses. Like I said, show me these big names Williams knocked out. Terrell was a nobody when Williams stopped him (on his feet BTW), where are all of these other guys. Williams record is full of stoppages against complete nobodies but when you run down the list of names and come upon someone you actually recognize you see that Williams either went the distance, lost, or was knocked out. That doesnt bode well against a guy who was as big, strong, hit harder, a better boxer, and more durable.

 

Yeah when he was 38 years old. Nice try. Im still waiting on all of these tough guys Williams KOd that show he was such a huge puncher. I'll stack up Lyle's best performances against Williams every day of the weak and twice on sunday and he will come out WAY ahead. Im also waiting on the evidence that Williams had a better chin than Lyle who has half as many KO losses as Williams. Williams would have run out of ideas real quick against Lyle just like he did against every other top fighter he fought.

 

Oh wait, so now Liston was past his prime when he fought Patterson??

 

Yes Pattersson was knocked out by Liston twice in the first round. Williams was also knocked out by him twice, once in the second round and once in the third round. That is what makes him better than Pattersson?

Who are the guys that Williams beat to prove that he was great other than a green Terrell who in turn beat him? As I stated, Pattersons resume is much (much) better, do you disagree with this?

You also claimed that Pattersson couldnt beat stronger fighters despite the fact that he beat both Chuvalo and Bonavena, what is your reasoning behind this claim?

As for Williams having a better resume than Lyle, how do you figure? Lyle beat Bonavena, Ellis, Bugner and Shavers. You mean that a green Terrell is better than that? Lyle is clearly the more proven fighter and should start the favorite.