Cotto's career has been a mirage for almost 5 years

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  1. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Cotto has no legitimacy and is hanging on by his name these days. He has one win over a quality opponent since Margarito beat him and none post-Pacquiao:

    7(6)-4(2) in his last 11.
    -1 solid win (2009 Clottey SD)
    -1 win over a shot fighter (Mayorga TKO)
    -2 wins over nobodies (Jennings and Rodriguez TKO)
    -3 stoppage wins over shot fighters via old injuries (Foreman knee, Margarito eye, Martinez knee)
    -2 severe beatings (Margarito 11 rounds, Pac 12 rounds)
    -2 clear losses (Mayweather, Trout UD)

    Alvarez on the other hand not only outsold him by 1million buys against Floyd, he has a much larger national following and only has a loss to Floyd (and while he was dominated he was never close to being stopped).

    In terms of form over the past 7 years, PPV sales, and total $$ brought to the table, Alvarez is the clear A-side. In terms of overall resume, it's Cotto. But for all intents and purposes Cotto's career has been over for nearly 5 years.

    Am I wrong?
     
  2. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You are right. Cotto's whole career is made of smoke and mirrors.
     
  3. mcmiller

    mcmiller Member Full Member

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    Way more smoke and mirrors in Canelo's career! Cotto's resume ****S on Canelo. GTFO........Be honest KillSomething. I beg of you.
     
  4. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    At no point did I say that. Nor do I even think it. Cotto was a good fighter with a quality resume. But all the quality is pre-2008.

    Cotto was beaten into what should have been retirement TWICE since then, but because he's a stoic dude with a lot of fans they keep bringing him out to fight people that he can beat or just make a lot of money against. I don't mind that at all because he's earned the right to make some money, but he is in no way a top fighter anymore and the resume proves it.
     
  5. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I agree with all of that. Alvarez was brought up easy against midgets. This is a known fact. HOWEVER...

    He did better against Mayweather than Cotto.

    He sold better against Mayweather than Cotto.

    He bounced back with wins over the top 2 guys in his division (Trout and Lara).

    Cotto bounced back with a loss to Trout and wins over a crippled Martinez and f*cking Delvin Rodriguez.

    In the past 5 years, Alvarez is head and shoulders above Cotto in every aspect.
     
  6. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    100% Agree
     
  7. Rumsfeld

    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Fair points about Cotto. Some may also argue that he did not deserve the Clottey victory.
     
  8. HolyCityBully

    HolyCityBully Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Cotto did MUCH better against Mayweather then Canelo. Canelo was damn near shut-out, I dont wanna hear about that laughable draw scorecard. Other then that, yes Cotto has skated by on name power mostly.
     
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    Rumsfeld Moderator Staff Member

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    Yes he did. And Canelo did much better against Trout than Cotto did.

    :smoke
     
  10. KillSomething

    KillSomething Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    True. I'm going by the fact that Cotto was ready to go in the last 2 rounds whereas Alvarez was outclassed but never really hurt. Cotto did win rounds, Alvarez didn't truly win any iirc.
     
  11. lefthandlead

    lefthandlead Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I said and stand by it. :bart Named a class A fighter near their prime that he beat? Old man Mosley? Cotto is a Top Rank hype hype. He's good but not near great.
     
  12. HellSpawn86

    HellSpawn86 "My heart goes out to you!" Full Member

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    Even though I agree 100% with what you said about Cotto, he was never #1 in any weight class he has fought in, and has been over-inflated in rankings, I do not agree about Alvarez as the A side. He has 3 losses, 2 were gifts (Trout and Lara).

    Despite that, they are still both A skilled opponents, bring tons of world class fighting experience, particularly Cotto and are gonna make a great match. Even though Alvarez clearly has youth and size on his side, Cotto has tons of experience, even from his losses. His losses were from A + opponents, so there is no way I can knock on him or count him out in this fight.
     
  13. Nonito Smoak

    Nonito Smoak Ioka>Lomo, sorry my dudes Full Member

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    I don't really get this too much... There is a lot of argument that minimizes what the OP stresses.

    -Sergio win capturing the 160 crown is one of his best individual wins.
    -2 of the 4 divisions he won titles in were post 2008/9 including the only titles that weren't filling a vacancy.
    -Delvin and Yuri wins are on par with several of his defenses at 140/147.
    -He lost to the best fighters he faced (Pacquiao, Mayweather), no surprise there.
    -Still has managed to become the #1 ranked 154 back in 2011/2012 and also lineal and #1/2 at 160.

    Obviously his 140 stay was his best but what he's done above 147 is much more impressive than most would have thought.
     
  14. ValentinePrince

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    Martinez' knees were evaluated to be fine after the fight. Get over it. It was a legit win.
     
  15. ayala

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    He received s gift