Joe Calzaghe vs Sergey Kovalev

No they don't Jim. People all over the world do. Did you not explore the links?

Not that I agree with them in this regard, I may add.

No they dont. Plenty of people think he wasn't that great.
Plenty think he was great.
Plenty also, think as you detail above. Such thoughts though are clearly too much like delusion.

However, those that think he was't that great are also clearly delusional.

Fact Jim! well done. I agree. Those that think he would beat everyone ever must be a minority, surely, and, as noted, must be delusional.

He had a hard fight sure, but the Hopkins who fought Kovalev was not the Hopkins who fought Calzaghe. This is a fact. By definition and by the logical reality of hopkins being close a decade older than he was in the Calzaghe fight.

True, I totally agree. Nt sure if Kovalev is a better boxer than Kessler though, not technically.

However, Kovalev has never been in with ANYONE like Calzaghe and would not be able to deal with that kind of speed at that weight. I broke it down on page one of this thread.

However, I do concede that if Calzaghe stops to trade and Kovalev connects heavy, then its over for Joe.

Honestly Jim? Yes, honestly I do. Calzaghe is a Master Boxer and he would be scared ****less in with Kovalev, but that would only focus him. Ive never seen a guy as big as Calzaghe have that work rate and stamina. Couple that with the fear and the master boxing skills and I think he hits and runs all night on the way to a UD.

I couldn't agree more mate.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion, and I guessss only time will tell. Whats clear is it'll be an interesting watch, especially with the Stevenson fight being made mandatory.

 

nocalzaghe is not amaster boxer, on the offensive side he is frequently outlanded % wise whenever he stepped up above national, and frequently gets caught on the defensive side.

in fact he relies on being able to take punches from his lesser opposition. Against KO4clev this would not work, though he could get a wales ref to stop the fight for him and thus cheat a win easily as he did.

 

Herol, what are you talking about? Outlanded on a percent basis. Ha, ha!

Thats amazing.

The best bit is you don't even have those figures! You have actually just made that up. Which by the way Herol, means, by defition, its not a fact.

Its something you'd like to be true. Give me 20mins and I'll draft a proper ****ysis to enlighten you.

 

why I need to invent the figures when they are there to be seen. watch the fights against the fighters above national level - it wont take more than 2 hours.

it is you who is being disingenuous, or perhaps you just ignore what you don't like.

 

Oh mate what are you saying? Digressed since his middleweigt days? Its only been since he left the middleweight division that he has completed his greatest achievements!

How much do you know about Hopkins?

No stamina mate, what he looks like is one thing what he's able to do at a Calzaghe level of workrate, in say rounds 8-12 is not what he is able to do with anybody else. The same goes for Kovalev.

You dont. I never said the opponant had to be fast. I said Calzaghe is. Faster than anyone Kovalev has ever been in with. I did not say this would be the defining factor in a Calzaghe UD either. It is merely one of the factors that explains Calzaghe's proposed victory.

Totally true. What does this mean though?

One of the main planks of Calzaghe's victory vs Kovalev is his fear of Kovalev, and the absolute focus it produces in Calzaghe's mind.

He was in no way fearful of Hopkins and really took him too lightly by assuming he as over the hill at that point. And we all saw that culminate in the knock down.

However, Joe's focus is still iis not the deciding factor in a Calzaghe victory over Kovalev, there are so many.

I understand and agree to a certain extent. Although I think he could be even better at CW.

Exactly! Kovalev's power is paradoxically his achillies heal here. It focuses Calzaghe too much and thats bad news for anyone hoping to best him in a ring under the Queensberry rules.

 

this it actually true, joe did well , like Kessler, when he left the more demanding MW division for the lesser new SMW one.

 

Ha, Ha! Herol. Im going to publish the figues from all of his fights from Eubank onward.

Why are you making me embarrass you further?

It's going to get real messy for you.

Prepare to be put in your place again Herol.

 

I think it should be borne in mind that folks were making very similar claims about Calzaghe in the run-up to the Lacy fight... not strong enough, doesn't hit hard enough, can't take the power... Need I remind you how that one turned out?

I'd be wary about making such claims again.

I think Calzaghe would struggle against the biggest and best LHW - the Hopkins fight showed us that (whatever you think about the result). Kovalev might well have been too much for him. But I would never write Joe off because his overall skillset was phenomenal.

 

none needs reminding that lacy gets destroyed by anyone half decent, even shot2**** jones beat him soundly.

i'd be wary of the fool who compares lacy with ko4clev.

 

Calzaghe would have next to no chance.

Too feather fisted and unproven at LHW and too small at SMW.

The Robin Reid right hand couldn't miss Calzaghe and Reid is nowhere near Kovalev's level.

 

Typical Calzaghe thread

Same posters

Saying the same thing

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you wascally wabbit!

 

and calzaghe not actually doing anything to prove it !























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