Ingemar Johansson vs Gerry ****ey

I agree. ****ey's chin was suspect and Johansson had a great right, much harder than Larry Holmes had. I see an early KO for Ingo.

 

Johansson.

C00ney was a hype job. His career highlight by far is 'losing bravely' to Holmes.

 

Not an implausible scenario, either way for that matter!

 

easily Johansson, C00ney was a hype job who shouldn't have been fighting for the title

C00ney was the Corrie Sanders of his time, only Larry was by no means as weak H2H as Wlad to get destroyed in seconds by him. nor was holmes chicken enough to face retired ****ey, he fought him prime.

to be fair C00ney was probably a bit better than Corrie Sanders, having a better tank and hitting harder and more accurately. He was still nothing more than a fringe contender, who only got a free pass to the title shot because he was the one whhite guy in a HW scene dominated by American black elites.

 

Nice big target for Ingo,who kayoed several bigger foes with his Hammer of Thor. Gerry was stopped by former light heavy, Mike Spinks, so his size wouldn't worry the calculating Swede .... Timber !!!

 

Considering that Johansson had to score 9 knockdowns in a combined three fights to produce one stoppage of Patterson while an aged and inactive C00ney still rose after the first knockdown against Foreman, I'd say that the rule of implausibility holds firm here.

 

Referee perhaps should have stopped Patterson after first knockdown though !

*Certainly Patterson's strange walking off and the follow-up from Johansson were enough to suggest so, imo.

 

Regardless, Johansson didn't win that fight with "one punch" nor did he even come close. And I doubt he'd manage that trick with a man who had a huge size advantage, ample power to hit him back with and had endured one of the most notable heavyweight beatings of all time against Holmes.

 

Yeah, I doubt it too.

But I'm not sure C00ney was that durable. Against a puncher like Johansson.

 

The same could be said in reverse about Johannson. Of course Floyd Patterson was more skilled than C00ney, but if he could pound ingo into submission twice and fairly early, then I think C00ney's size, power, and early round tenacity could probably create the same result only maybe even quicker, there bye depriving Ingo any chance to do any real damage. Even if he does manage to land a bingo or two, I doubt that it will be enough to completely stop C00ney in his tracks. Gerry was the kind that needed a sustained beating to be taken out. Only Foreman was able to beat him with just a few big shots and that was after C00ney's career had long been over and facing one of the division's hardest punchers of all time - Something that Johansson wasn't.

 

I think Johansson was a very serious puncher.

Johansson beat Machen and Patterson, the two highest-ranked fighters in the world at the time. He really hurt them.

C00ney beat no one deserving of a high-ranking. His career highlight is losing bravely to Holmes after being ridiculously hyped into a superfight. There's just not much substance to C00ney.

 

He was overhyped.. That much is certain.. But he is also all too often written off as simply being a "hype job" and nothing more, which is inaccurate and grossly oversimplified. While Jimmy Young, Ken Norton and Ron Lyle were washed up, perhaps even shot, you would have been hard pressed to find maybe 10-15 guys in 1980 who were better than those guys were. It would be even harder to near impossible to find anywhere near that many who could have done to those men what C-ooney did. To give you an idea of what his power was like, he Ko'd Ron Lyle and several other men with body shots. That's almost unheard of in a lot of circles. He handed Phil Brown the first stoppage of his career, and then Brown when on to taking Bruno the 10 round distance in his next fight. ****ey wasn't just a mindless slugger either. He had good boxing skills and could use the jab and hook to his advantage.. Johanson's wins over Machen and Patterson were splendid ones. But also over much smaller men - one of whom had a shaky chin and managed to hammer him twice thereafter.. I don't think I'd favor Ingo in this fight.. He'd have to do a lot more than land a couple of hale marries to pull it off.

 

As someone who saw Gerry ****ey fight Larry Holmes in person, I think he did very well considering that he had faced very soft opposition up to that point in time. I am not saying that an experienced ****ey would have beaten Holmes, but he would have had a much better chance to do it.

- Chuck Johnston

 

I think there were probably several men in the world who would have put that version of Ron Lyle out inside of 2 rounds.
Probably a good few would put Norton out in 1 or 2 rounds too.

But regardless of that, it's a fact that C00ney never beat anyone above that level of the washed-up has-been.
Yes, he could punch.

 

Well Lynn Ball managed to beat Lyle in two, so I'll give you that one. But I doubt anybody does it with a body shot and in one round. Shavers took Norton out in one back in '79 but I wouldn't desrcribe Earnie as being the norm.

On the surface this may seem like the crux of the issue but In reality I don't think its that simple. By that logic Vitali Klitscko shouldn't beat Johansson either.