By Modern Standards, George Foreman was a Caveman

Bingo.

Heck, if they truly believe they've solved the Da Vinci code to heavyweight success, I heartily encourage them to head down to the gym and start making some easy money.

 

This coming from a guy who thinks Haye was the greatest counter puncher ever at HW:rofl

 

This K nut-hugger had no rebuttal at all to anything I said. At least he knows his place.

 

But Heayweights have "evolved", don't you get it? A lack of body punching is now a sign of that and proof that it was always a waste of time and dangerous, anyway! Funny how Chisora gave Vitali a good fight and when he went against the grain and hit him to the body.

Foreman WAS a caveman because he neglected to do things that he COULD do, namely use a jab. He could have been a much better fighter than he was if he had kept his punches straight and used his jab more. Like lots of fighters before and after he relied too much on power and forgot that he had to set up his opponent.

 

Foreman was thought to be too slow and clumsy to compete at the top level even back in his day. He was thought to be an easy defense for Joe Frazier, but then the fight happened. Georges style was never going to be pretty. I'm sure there are a lot of heavy weights today that prime George Foreman could knock out. Wlad is certainly NOT one of them imo

 

Bigfoot is real dammit!!! They just happen to inhabit the same areas as American black bears and brown bears. That is why there would be a lot more Bigfoot sightings around here if people weren't constantly mistaking Sasquatch for a bear.:yep

 

Only 6'3

That actually makes him the same height or taller than most of the current top 10. So Foreman would be ridiculed for his size and shape, unlike amazing in shape top 10 guys like 5'11 250lb Chagaev or Chris Arreola who weighs over 240lbs, at least 30lbs of which is fat. Yeah, Foreman really would look terrible next to these fine specimens of highly evolved, superior modern heavyweights

What planet do you guys live on?

 

I am totally with you there. His comment on the shape really made me laugh, Foreman was an awesome physical specimen back in the 70s.

Looking at the Ring top 10 right now; Povetkin who is number 2 is 6'2". Stiverne - number 3 is also 6'2". Jennings - number 5 is 6'3". Glazkov - number 7 is also 6'3". Perez - number 8 is 6'1". Arreola - number 9 is 6'3". Finally Chagaev - number 10 is 5'11".

So that is 7 of the top 10 heavyweights the same height or shorter than Foreman.

In terms of shape, Chagaev, Arreola, Perez and during several fights in the past POvetkin and Fury came into fights carrying too much weight, and in significantly worse shape than in any of Foreman's fights prior to his first retirement.

The level of stupidity of some posters here just defies belief.

 

The funny thing about Arreola is that he weighed under 180lbs in the ams, he's not even naturally that big at all. He won the National Golden Gloves weighing 178lbs then two years later turns up in the pro ranks weighing 240lbs of flab. Since then he actually got fatter yet still managed to become a top contender, fighting for a world title numerous times.

Yet according to some people on here, Foreman, a huge, naturally muscular man with very little body fat, who would cut weight to get below 230lbs, couldn't compete because he's too small, whereas as a fat former light heavyweight can. These people are completely insane and live a bizarre fantasy world totally detached from all reality, logic and fact.

 

atsch


Um, no. Foreman had one of the greatest chins in boxing history and knockout power in both hands. Both W. Klitschko and Lewis have been KO'd by lesser guys than George Foreman. Foreman would have survived either guy's best stuff and eventually blasted them out of there.

 

Boy y'all funny! Lmao that was a good one! Foreman had no skills, just punching power!

 

Plus think of it like this, Foreman lost to Ali in 1974 and then first retired in 1977 aged 28. He made a comeback and 20 years later aged almost 50, Foreman put a beating on a young Shannon Briggs only to get robbed on the cards. 9 years on from that Briggs picked up a world title and in 2010, aged 40 and shot, was still on the scene and deemed good enough to get a World title shot at Vitali. Is that really great evolution?

 

So much of this is wrong I don't know where to start.

Let's first clarify what he had going for him. Yes he usually had size and strength working in his favour, but most importantly, he had power and a great chin. He is easily a top 5 ATG power puncher, meaning if he connects, he hurts you. If he hits you two or three times in quick succession, you go down.

Next his movement, did you watch his fight against Norton on this thread?

If you did you'd realize he was stalking Norton and taking away his options in terms of him being able to simply circle the ring and run. Yes it was slow, but it was deliberate, and speed wasn't necessary.

Stamina, Foreman himself said that he reason he got tired in fights, particularly against Ali, wasn't because he wasn't in shape, but rather he was tense when he fought. Great fighters, learn to relax in the ring. Gil Clancy said, while commenting during the Duran - Barkely that Olympic fighters get tired going just 3 rounds and a fighter like Duran was able to go 12 rounds at aged 37 because he was relaxed. Foreman himself proved this on his comeback when he would go the distance while being in his 40's and 25lbs above his best weight. You don't think he was in better shape then he was in his 20's weighting 225 do you?

6' 3" is plenty big enough in todays era, especially considering that he would have punching power over virtually every fighter he fought.

As for his fighting style, no it wasn't pretty and I too once thought the same and many of you do, that he had no technique, but then I started watching him cut off the ring, I started watching him throw that shovel upper cut that caused so much devastation, I started watching the effect his ramrod jab had on his opponents, and I realized there was a lot more going on than him simply throwing looping punches and hoping they would connect. There was a hell of a lot more going on.

There is no substitute for actually watching a fighter fight, to understand what's true or not and separating myth from facts.

 

All I see here is blah, blah, blah...whine, whine, whine. In the mean time Im still waiting for you to link me to ANY top boxing trainer who says body punching is not an integral part of the sport. atsch