Roy Jones.

Loudon you are losing it. You are desperately trying to justify everything Jones did whilst criticising other fighters for doing exactly the same thing. Namely cherry picking. You know as well as I do that Jones would never have fought a Lewis or a Klitchko, so he picked a Heavyweight with a crown that was gifted to him rather than earned, in the hapless Ruiz.

Yet you say that Calzaghe was a joke for fighting Jones when he was there for the taking.

You rant desperately about Calzaghe and what he said to try and take the pressure of Jones from his critics.

You skirt around the fact that he is a proven steroid cheat, and write reams about Calzaghe, much the same as you skirt around the fact that he cheated when he hit Griffin when he was down.

You can say whatever you like about the Welshman, but he can hold his head higher than Jones, solely because he was never found guilty of steroid use.

So for that matter can hundreds of other fighters.

And please stop with the Ruiz was a top 5 heavyweight.

We both know rankings can be gifted or bought. He was a s.h.i.t fighter that was so bad paint watched him dry. Why do you think Haye took him so eagerly when he was somehow put up as a valid title defence after losing to Valuev for the second time and beating some Turkish kebab seller?

 

Foxy 01,

How so?

Roy was almost 40, he'd been destroyed four years earlier, and he hadn't had a top level win for five years.

Watch this.

Go to 6 mins, 30 seconds.

http://youtu.be/AWDtzdAYTOA


Nobody, not even Joe's biggest fan can defend that.

How have I let myself down?

I'm slagging him off, because he said on three occasions that he didn't want Roy because he was shot.

A Pavlik and a Dawson fight would have given him some good money, plus a lot more respect.

My opinion is backed up by what Joe said in 1999 and 2003, and the fact that he was happy to keep defending the WBO, SMW title for as long as possible.

He bragged to Carl Froch earlier this year about his record number of SMW defences and of how proud he was.

That's fine.

But a guy who was happy to make all of those WBO defences in Britain at SMW, was not a guy who seriously wanted to fight Roy at LHW.

Joe's resume tells you what his intentions were.

When he couldn't unify against Ottke in 2003, he had the opportunity to move up to LHW. The WBO even stated that if he chose to move up, they'd make him a mandatory, due to the number of defences he'd made at SMW.

This was before Lacy and Kessler came on the scene.

But he didn't take the opportunity.

He remained at SMW.

He remained there until 2008.

So with the information to hand, it seems crystal clear that he had no intentions of fighting him.

 

Roy fought those when he was 40, as confidence building comeback fights.

At that point, they were as washed up as he was.

 

It's for the best.

You've no knowledge whatsoever on the topics that we've discussed.

:good

 

I'm not justifying everything Roy did.

I'm proving to people that Roy wasn't content to just fight bums, and that the big fights were hard to make due to many factors.

Ruiz wasn't a joke HW, he was just extremely horrible to watch. But he wasn't some nobody. He was decent and he had a few decent wins. He had close fights with Evander, and although Evander was past his best, he wasn't completely washed up.

Even if Roy did cherry pick him, which he didn't, it was still a good win. If Ruiz was around today, I doubt there'd be LHW's fighting over each other to get a shot at him. You have to respect that not many 34 year old LHW's go up and fight any HW.

Calzaghe was a great fighter. But yes, it was a joke that he fought Roy, after he'd said on three occasions that it would be pointless.

I've never gotten into a serious debate about steroids, because we have little information. In the end, you end up debating with people who swear he was taking them straight after the Olympics in the late 80's. So there's no point.

I haven't at all skirted around the Griffin DQ. It was absolutely bizarre. I don't know what he was thinking, and he definitely deserved it.

Again, Ruiz wasn't sh*t. A sh*t HW (I don't like being disrespectful to fighters) would be someone like Audley Harrison, who crumbled in any meaningful fight. I can see why people despised Ruiz. But saying he was sh*t is an exaggeration. He was shot when he fought Haye, but I'd have expected Haye to have beaten any version of him.

 

For christ's sake. It doesn't matter what Calzaghe SAID He was a prizefighter. So are you really trying to say you are so stupid as to NOT realise he would have definitely been an idiot to turn down probably his highest pay day to batter someone he knew couldn't possibly win? Because we both know that you are NOT stupid.

You have done it again.

You claim that Jones only took the Calzaghe leftovers fights to boost his confidence, and they were both shot by then anyway. Yet again you slag off Calzaghe for doing EXACTLY the same thing, in fighting the shot Jones.

Your argument simply doesn't make sense.

Again you are not stupid enough to take anything fighters say seriously, only when you leap to the defence of Jones, as if he is a member of your family or something. Who honestly gives a fvck what fighters say, or think for that matter? They are there to fight for money, and entertainment value, not to mouth off, and offer the public pearls of wisdom.

 

Thanks!

I'll see if I can find them.

:good

 

Ok if it suits you better I'll say a garbage fighter, instead of s**t. Holy was 38 and 39 respectively when Ruiz fought him, and a hard 38 - 9 as well. 3 years older in fact than when Jones first got knocked out, and all the 28 year old Ruiz could do was Lose 1 Win 1 and Draw 1. He also lost to his better opposition regularly.

You have one thing right though, Haye would have beaten any version of Ruiz, which is why I said he must have thought all his Xmas' had come at once when Ruiz was somehow manipulated into being his first title defence.

 

Foxy 01,

Of course it matters what he said.

I was talking to Mongoose, saying that it was a joke that Joe showboated against him.

I wouldn't have minded if Joe had've been honest, and said it was an offer he couldn't refuse, and he was happy to share a ring with Roy.

But that's not what happened.

He told everyone it was pointless, then took the fight and showboated.

You have said in the past, that Roy's fight against McCallum was a joke.

Which I've agreed with. It was pointless.

Now let's pretend that Roy had said he hadn't wanted to fight him earlier, but then when he did he started clowning.

You'd have gone mad.

Clowning a past it guy, who you've laughed at because he was shot = A JOKE IMHO.

No, again I've slagged of Joe for showboating after what he'd said.

What doesn't make sense?

Again, I initially said to Mongoose that it was a joke that Joe clowned around, after he'd spoke of the element of risk involved in 2003.

Do you seriously think he'd have clowned around against an earlier version of Roy, after he'd spoke about his capabilities and the risk involved?

You're entitled to your opinion.

But again, I believe that clowning against a 40 year old guy who's past it, is a joke.

 

That's fine.

I certainly wasn't a fan of Ruiz, and I've never met anyone who was.

But he was effective.

Evander was past his best, but he was robbed against Valuev 7 years later.

He'd still got a bit left in the tank.

Ruiz beat Evander, Johnson, Rahman and Golota.

Nothing amazing, but decent wins.

 

Learn to read and comprehend ya dim bulb. You've made the point repeatedly (every time you post your nonsense) you haven't an ounce of familiarity with boxing in the US.

America is not hearing any of your inferiority-complex based rants and it has enough of its own loons. So .. no need to apply ...

Try a new angle because you sure are intentionally not dealing with response/post specifics. Forget prioritizing boxing sites, surely the EDL needs another angry poster to spread the word for them. Better to focus your energy and motivations on the "home front" so reapportion that time accordingly.









idiot

 

Hang on a minute. You posted a video of Calzaghe talking BEFORE he fought Hopkins, in which he said a fight with Jones would be meaningless because he was no longer a great fighter, and it would be hard for him to get motivated for it.

How then could he admit it was an offer he couldn't refuse, when at that particular time no offer had been made?

If it makes you feel better I will admit that Joe didn't need to make him look such a p***k, when he knew he couldn't possibly lose, but again didn't Jones do enough of that during his career.

And please don't bring age into it. When you know the other guy can't possibly win, and you take the **** out of him, age is irrelevant.

Also I really can't believe that you are naive enough to take notice of ANYTHING fighters say. You seem far too intelligent for that.

Lastly no one, and I DO mean no one will ever convince me that Ruiz was a worthy champion at any stage of his career. He was just the pawn in the cosy little game between King and Mendoza, and the WBA strap.

 

Foxy 01,

That video was just one example out of three, where Joe said he didn't want the fight.

Nobody has said an offer was made then.

What I'm saying is, it was a joke that Joe took the fight after saying what he had, and then going on to showboat after.

I said to you that IMO, he'd have been better off saying it was an opportunity he couldn't turn down, INSTEAD of signing for the fight after he'd dismissed him on three occasions.

He didn't make Roy look a pr*ck.

This is what you don't understand.

It was Joe himself that looked a pr*ck.

Why?

Because he did that after saying he was shot three times.

If an elite guy clowns against a shot 40 year old opponent, it's not the opponent that looks bad, it's the elite guy that's doing it.

You seem to view everything back to front.

It would have been like Larry Holmes doing an Ali shuffle against Ali in 1980.

If you're going to tell me that Joe would have done that to an earlier version of Roy, then I don't believe you.

What are you talking about?

In this case, the age is certainly relevant.

He clowned Roy because he was 9 weeks from his 40th birthday, and he had no respect for him as being a threat.

Like you've said, Joe knew that Roy couldn't possibly beat him.

Which is why he acted in such a way.

In 2003 when Roy was still on top, Joe said he could give Roy a great fight, but he knew what his capabilities were, and he'd want 'The Crown Jewels' because of the risk involved.

So of course the age is relevant.

It's safe to assume that Joe wouldn't have done that had he faced Roy in 2003, instead of at the end of 2008.

It's nothing to do with being naive.

Joe said Roy was shot, and he meant it, and everybody agreed. Everyone knew that Roy was shot in 2008. Glen Johnson had destroyed him in 2004.

You're looking from the wrong perspective.

Ruiz may not have been a worthy HW champion.

But he was a decent HW, and he was a worthy challenge to a 34 year old LHW.

 

No, you just want to endlessly cry and whine about Calzaghe/Jones, and I have no interest in hearing it. It has nothing to do with my point.

 

So apart from another load of irrelevant Yank chest thumping garbage you have said nothing as is usual amongst you people. I suspect it is an inherent need to massage the weak Murican psyche.

So either explain exactly why Jones fought Sheika and Lacy 7 years after Calzaghe destroyed them or STFU, because I'm really not interested in anything else you might choose to drivel about.

Fool.