Calzaghe's resume?

Discussion in 'British Boxing Forum' started by BEATDOWNZ, Dec 26, 2014.


  1. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Why did so many pick Jones to win or for the fight to be hard fought and even? It was one of the years bigger fights
     
  2. HerolGee

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    yep, and that's what joe is equivalent to, since he was evenly matched with rob, top 5.

    thx, nice one. joe would be top five in his prime today.
     
  3. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    a long time a very long time
     
  4. Barry Smith

    Barry Smith Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Maybe these people were hoping Joe's cynical cherry pick would back fire.

    The fight did less than half the number of ppv buys that HBO were hoping for. It was a flop and quite rightly so.
     
  5. BEATDOWNZ

    BEATDOWNZ Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Eubank was shot to sh!t when Joe beat him. Whereas Kessler was the main man at SMW when Ward schooled him.

    Bar Hopkins, that was Joe's best win AND it was seen as a very competitive fight (even Joe will tell you that), yet Ward, who was massively inexperienced, took Kessler to school.
     
  6. bailey

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  7. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    You are comparing old end of career Calzaghe against prime undefeated Kessler, to young Ward beating faded, unwell, rusty, double vision suffering Kessler, yet forget that Calzaghe beat Bika in better fashion than Ward beat faded rusty Bika.

    Why have you not tried answering below?

    So many people rate Wards win over Kessler as something special yet dont rate Calzaghes victory over Eubank. Why?

    It was Wards 21st fight, Ward was 25
    It was Calzaghes 23rd fight, Calzaghe was 25

    Ward won at home
    Calzaghe won away

    When Ward beat Kessler, Kessler was 42-1-0
    When Calzaghe beat Eubank, Eubank was 45-2-2

    Kessler was 31
    Eubank was 31

    Kessler was 8-1 in world title fights
    Eubank was 17-2-2 in world title fights

    It was just under 3 years since Kessler beat a world rated opponent
    It was just under 3 years since Eubank beat a world rated opponent

    Kessler had only fought 3 completed rounds in 1 fight in a year before fighting Ward
    Eubank had only fought 7 completed rounds in 2 fights in a year before fighting Calzaghe

    Kesslers only loss was clear
    Eubanks 2 losses - first was very close (debateable) the second was a SD, to the same fighter.

    Kessler was favourite to win.
    100 years of Boxing News claims Calzaghe was underdog, I have read Calzaghe was underdog but some posters claim he was betting favourite, though.
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    Notes Eubank was a strong favourite, but dont know where the site got its info.

    Both Ward and Calzaghe had dominant performances with Calzaghe scoring 2 KDs.

    After the loss Kessler beat undefeated WBC champ Froch
    After the loss Eubank fought WBO CW champ Thompson and lost a close decision scoring a KD. Eubank fought a return with the bigger Thompson and lost on injury when ahead. Thompson was a CW and the only fighter to have beaten D Haye.

    I have read how people on ESB say Eubank was shot so -
    How far past prime was Eubank to you then?
    Eubank had lost a close decision to Collins, that many thought he won, had a couple of tune ups and rematched Collins to a SD, had a couple of tune ups and lost clearly to underdog Calzaghe. After that loss Eubank went up to CW and challenged world champ Thompson losing a very close decision and then rematched Thompson losing on injury when ahead. Thats Thompson who years later past his best KOd D Haye.
    Consider Eubank only had 2 losses to one fighter when he fought Calzaghe, the second by SD to a world champ and was 31 then went on to challenge a big CW flooring him etc, how past his prime do YOU think he was?
    Remember Kessler is Wards big win and was the same age as Eubank here and had around the same amount of fights, so is Kessler shot as well, because Kessler has a serious eye problems and was an unwell double vision suffering fighter who has been inactive for a while now due to his injury


    Remember when you make silly comments about losses was G Johnson considered past his prime when years ago after losing to Hopkins he went 7-9-2 including the Hopkins loss


    Also you didnt note that Calzaghe may have fought Kessler with bandages wrapped a different way to how Wards team would have allowed.
    Look at this link (the first minute)
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  8. Bobthepen

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    Eubank was due to fight at light heavy on the undercard of Calzaghe's title fight. He agreed to fight Calzaghe as a late replacement, and boiled himself down another 7lbs. Calzaghe was a clear favourite with every bookie.
     
  9. ashishwarrior

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    yep yet another late replacement
    bailey will tell you otherwise with a long ass post that will b so long you wont be bothered to read it
     
  10. bailey

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    I cannot recall the bookies though remember everyone I spoke to at that time picking Eubank and Boxing News picked Eubank.
    Someone I knew was in a fich and chip shop and it was a big undercard fight that people were talking of and they told me they all went for Eubank.

    Eubank often made weight late on and had over a week for the last bit of weight. It was also a late change of opponent for calzaghe to.
    Eubank had been a MW and recently claimed that only now, in his 40s that he would be LHW
     
  11. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Tell him othewise to what?
    I know Eubank was a replacement. S Collins was the original opponent.
    Why would I say otherwise to that?
     
  12. BEATDOWNZ

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    Bailey: YOU are comparing Joe's win over Chris to Ward's win over Kessler.

    Fact: Eubank was hugely in decline when Joe beat him.
    Fact: Kessler was the man at SMW when Ward schooled him. Ward was that much of an underdog that it was seen as an easy win for Mikkell.

    What don't you get about that and why do you compare Joe's victory over Eubank to it? Kessler was still in his prime, on form and expected to clean up at the S6. Eubank was way past his prime.
     
  13. BEATDOWNZ

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    :lol::lol::lol::good
     
  14. HerolGee

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    new lowest levels of failey being introduced today.
    surely not possible, he'll be in Australia next.
     
  15. Furey

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    bailey makes some good points, BUT I do agree... the Kessler who fought Ward was definitely at a different stage in his career to the Eubank that fought Calzaghe.

    That said, some of the negative comments about Calzaghe on this thread is laughable.