Is Tyson the most dangerous heavyweight?

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  1. 2piece

    2piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I don't believe he is the best ever, but with all of his early knockouts could it be said that Tyson is the most dangerous heavyweight ever?
    I know there are other dangerous heavyweights that could be picked above him. Boxers such as George Foreman, Sonny Liston, Joe Louis, Jack Dempsey, and Rocky Marciano. My feelings are though that Tyson was the most dangerous of them particularly with how quickly he iced many of his opponents.
    Anyone else feel differently?
     
  2. RockysSplitNose

    RockysSplitNose Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Statistically I'd have to go with Jack Dempsey - 25 of his 44 knockouts came in the first round!?! A further 5 came to in the 2nd round and another 5 came in the 3rd!? 5 also came in the 4th round!? So that's 40 of 44 knockouts inside the first 4 rounds!?

    Only man to drop (and some would say arguably stop) Gene Tunney in 85 fights and 590 rounds boxed over his career.

    First and only man to KO Jack Sharkey in his prime (and with one punch)

    First man to actually KO George's Capentier in a so far 12 year career (and really the only man to actually KO Carp in his entire 17 year career.

    First and only man to KO Bill Brennan before his prime years had passed

    Circumstances obviously taken into account Dempsey was also the only man to KO Billy Miske in 105 fights

    First man ever to floor Jess Willard (and 7 times!?!)

    Up to that point in Gunboats almost 10 year career no one had actually KO'd Smith as fast as Dempsey - Sam Langford came closest doing it in 3. Only one man, Harry Greb, would do it faster ever.

    First man in 6 years to KO Carl Morris (only man previous was Luther McCarty) and only man to KO him in one round.

    First man in an approximate 250 fights to actually KO Battling Levinsky (and in one round!?)

    KO'd Fulton in 1 round - Fulton would only be stopped once in his next 38 fights (by Wills in 3 when he suffered broken ribs)

    Only other man to KO Jim Flynn in 1 round in his 156 bout career was Sam Langford.
     
  3. VVMM

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    The history answered your question. Tyson is the only man who
    could knock Larry out.
    Tyson is the only man who beat and knocked Spinks out.
    Now check these guys combined carrier, numbers of their fights/rounds and their opponents quality.
    Tyson knocked Holmes outh in the 4. round .
    He knocked Spinks out in the first.
    Not full 5 rounds and 2 kos against two ATGs ( Holmes and Spinks) in the same year(1988).
    Say similar example !
     
  4. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Dempsey didn't compete in the steroid era.
    His situation was much more easier.
    I think a steroid overloaded fighter beating is much more tougher thing than a "girl next door" type "weak" and "fragile" fighter beating.
    Total different situation.
    Sorry but Dempsey was a skinny chicken. He was dangerous
    in his era. But all-time ? No chance.
    For example Dempsey was dangerous against a pathetic looking
    Willard(Willard looked like an average Joe from the pub.) But Tyson beat Bruno,Smith,Ruddock type muscle mountains.
    And these were skilled Tyson opponents.
     
  5. Bobthepen

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    Ali has stoppage wins against three of the top ten greatest heavyweights ever.
     
  6. Wass1985

    Wass1985 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    You really do live in cloud cuckoo land, you're deranged. :lol:
     
  7. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The Foreman and the Frazier kos are nothing to do with the power.

    Maybe the first round Liston ko was power ko.
    I think you talk about these cases.But other fighter(L. Martin) could
    knock Liston out also.
    Foreman destroyed Frazier two tmes easily.
    Ali's Frazier ko wasn't remarkable at all.
    Your example doesn't work.
     
  8. Azzer85

    Azzer85 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Shannon Briggs is dangerous, just look at how many bums he kod in the first round
     
  9. Unforgiven

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    Depends who he's matched against.

    Against fighters who are 100% going to lose ... like Sammy Scaff and Donnie Long etc. .... yeah, he might be the "most dangerous" in that sense that the KO is likely to occur any second.
    On the other hand, maybe a Liston or a Foreman or even a Marciano is more likely to inflict actual damage . I dunno.

    Against real quality fighters, I'd say no.
     
  10. Foxy 01

    Foxy 01 Boxing Junkie banned

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    Dempsey was allowed to stand over his opponents and hit them as soon as their trailing knee was off the canvas, so read into that what you will.

    However nothing is as funny as the poster who referred to Bruno as " skilled "
     
  11. pablod

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    Tyson was very dangerous as there was no feeling out process, it was seek and destroy. he threw hydrogen bombs from the word go and was very precise and educated with it.
    Plus he had that speed and power and he could take out a world class chin early which few fighters could do. Thomas hearns had the same abilty.
    Plus he was hard to hit and hit you when you missed him. Few other fighters have been as aggressive and as effective early.
    Id say Tyson was one of the most exciting fighters in history. whats not to like?
     
  12. Azzer85

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    Of course Bruno had no skill. Lets just sweep under the carpet what he did to your pugilist specialist for 6 rounds.
     
  13. RockysSplitNose

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    :thumbsup yeah funny isn't that Dempsey didn't stop Meehan?? Bizarre isn't it?? Yeah amazing how Willie only got stopped (not even knocked out) 7 times in 172 fights (recorded fights no doubt). So yeah that must mean that everybody should've been able to knock him out?? I mean any one with such a poor record for survival should be the easiest guy in the world to stop??

    Don't forget that one of those 7 stoppages came about as a result of him and an opponent falling through the ropes and Meehans head hitting the ground first so really the tally of actual genuine knockouts he suffered in 172 fights should be reduced to 6 which I get means that even more so that Dempsey really should've been able to get this guy ;).

    Yeah obviously it's so weird that Meehan managed to get through 4 rounds somehow - I mean obviously forget that he went 10 rounds with Frank Mantell, Bob McAllister (actually beat Mantell), and how in the hell did 'modern sized' 6'4" Harry Wills who apparently would've destroyed Dempsey as well couldn't put a dent in Willie Meehan in 4 rounds either??

    And why couldn't Jack Dillon stop that tiny Phatso Willie in 10 rounds??? I mean this is a guy who mixed with the very best and went the distance with many of the top guys of the day including Harry Greb, Mike Gibbons, Billy Miske, George Chip, Gunboat Smith etc etc but why the hell did he let that little midget Willie Meehan slither through 10!!?? Not just 4 rounds??

    In fact why in the hell did tiny boy phat willie Meehan go 10 rounds with the greatest fighter in the history of boxing Harry Greb - this must be a misprint surely and somehow Meehan gets through 4 rounds with Dempsey?? Sure Dempsey could've got Meehan out of there if he was so great?? I mean forget about him going 10 with Harry Greb??

    And what!?!? Willie Meehan also couldn't get stopped in 4 by the 2nd greatest fighter in the history of boxing SAM LANGFORD either what?? I'm sorry forget all you've read about Langford he obviously wasn't all that coz he couldn't stop little Phatso willie Meehan in 4 rounds

    Yeah I get where you're coming from:D;)
     
  14. clark

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    Spinks was no ATG heavyweight and that Holmes was far from his best.
     
  15. 2piece

    2piece Well-Known Member Full Member

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    What are you actually trying to say?