Roy Jones.

I'll tell you what. Here is a novel idea that all you fvckwitted fanboys can put forward to the promoters, and the broadcasting companies that pay good money for title fights to be shown on TV. Just after the ring announcer introduces everyone concerned to the audience fighter A says " Fvck this, there is no point in this fight happening because I know I'm gonna win ( or lose whichever might be the case ) and I'll get no credit for it so I'm off home. And he climbs out of the ring.

That might suit all the imbecilic fan boys out there.

 

Foxy,

I've honestly never seen a thread criticising him for taking the fight.

He'd accomplished all he could at SMW, and he was struggling to make the weight.

When he said he was moving up to LHW, the natural fight to make was Hopkins.

Who else was there?

Perhaps Dawson?

But Hopkins was a bigger name.

That's fair enough. But you have to look where everyone was at, in their careers, at that point.

Bernard had only been at LHW for a short while. But it was much more of a relevant fight than fighting Roy.

Bernard was an elite fighter, and it was a big fight.

Whereas, Roy was 3-3 in his last 6 fights, and was coming off a decision win over a 172 pound Tito.

Both the Hopkins and Kessler wins, were more relevant than the win over Roy.

If you go back to my previous posts, you'll see them.

I've used Chelsea as an example.

Bingo!

That is what I've been trying to say to you.


In boxing/football terms, Joe was Chelsea.

An elite fighter.


Roy wasn't like one of the Manchester clubs, because he wasn't elite.

Roy wasn't even like a premiership team.

He was only capable of beating the Ajamu's, Hanshaws's and the old Tito's of the world.

He was only capable of beating c class opposition.

In football terms, that's like low end Championship/League one level.


If you carry on using the football an*alogy, what league would Danny Green have been in?

IMHO, Danny Green was Championship standard, and Roy couldn't beat him. He had no reactions to Green's slow, predictable right hand, and he was stopped in just one round.


So what I'm claiming, is that Joe beating Roy, would be the equivilant of Chelsea thrashing a bottom end Championship/League one club, in a cup competition.

So yes, referring to Roy as Preston North End, is quite accurate in my opinion, unless you viewed him as a lowly placed club, from the league above.

I suppose some people would make a case for him being a lowly placed Championship team.

So looking at the current tables, I would say that it would be the equivilant of Chelsea thrashing Blackpool.

My point is, Tarver and Johnson both out boxed him and knocked him out, years before Joe beat him.

So what Joe did was nothing special. He beat a near 40 year old fighter via a decision, after Roy had been hammered at 35.

That's my point.

Tarver humiliated Roy, because he knocked the worlds best fighter out in under 6 mins.

Glen Johnson humiliated him, because he won just about every round before knocking him cold. IMHO, Glen wasn't a special fighter.

I've never called Roy's performance against Hopkins, a master class. But it was impressive because Roy was only young and he'd got a fractured hand.

Completely different circumstances.

It's not about Roy's chin, it's about that fact that Roy couldn't react to a telegraphed right hand.

Anyone will go, if they're caught clean.

But Roy's reflexes had gone.

The fact that a guy who wasn't special, was able do that to Roy in under a round, shows you what level Roy was operating at, at that point.

You're entitled to your opinion.

When Roy fought Joe, his athleticism and reflexes had gone.

Again, he was only capable of beating C class opposition.

We're not comparing their attributes.

We're looking at where Roy was in 2004, and where Floyd is today.

When Roy was considered the best fighter in the world, it was unthinkable that someone could beat him in two rounds.

When Tarver beat Roy, that was a huge shock. He'd been the best fighter in the world for almost ten years.


Today, Floyd's been considered the best fighter in the world for almost ten years.

He's still undefeated, at 47-0.

Roy was 50-1.

So if Floyd was knocked out by anyone today in just two rounds, it would be extremely humiliating.


But if he carried on losing, and went 3-3 in his next 6 fights, then who would be bothered if an elite guy inflicted the 4th loss of his career weeks before he was 40?

Then consider that whoever the elite guy was, had called him shot on three occasions leading up to the fight.

Now do you really think that they'd get credit for the win?

I'm loving it!


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You've blamed Roy for not accepting 50/50 earlier on in the thread.

Roy wasn't P4P #3 in 2002. Not to my knowledge.

Nor was he #2 in 2003. He beat Ruiz at HW.

Also, how could it have gone down in 2003? Roy was at HW until Sept, and Hopkins was still at MW.

 

You're getting carried away here.

I've only said that Joe doesn't deserve credit, due to the circumstances.

Why have you listed all of those other great fighters?

There's no need to do that.

 

There was no need for you to have typed the above.

 

Blah blah blah...

More ramblings of an angry lunatic. Did I say you were being a good sport while taking your thrashing? I take that back.:roll:

Basement sitting, internet riding, knob jockey also known as Foxy.:deal

 

You are getting confused, likely because you are jumping into the middle of a seperate debate. He asked about the 96 whisperings of a rematch. The 50/50 proposal was the formal 2002 rematch offer.


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Nobody made Roy go to Heavyweight and challenge Ruiz.

 

After the Toney fight Jones would have jumped to #2 behind Whitaker. Couple years later Jones finally was #1, but would lose his spot not to long after to ODLH. This would kind of become a pattern. Jones being bumped to #2 at times (even #3 in 2002) for the current media darling. After the Ruiz fight they had to put him back at #1 in 2003. Unreal.

After the Ruiz fight he had victories over fighters ranked in the #10 at 160, 168, 175, 190 and heavyweight.

 

To be fair, while it says May 2003 those rankings are from before the Ruiz fight. But Hopkins would have ended 2002 ranked #1 by Ring.

You're right Jones didn't need to go up and challenge a heavyweight. He had been criticized before for talking about it and not doing it. Remember talk started in 1995.

 

I remember Mosley being #1 for a short ammount of time..

I don't ever remember Roy being #2 after his victory over Ruiz, and I owned several magazines from that period... I don't remember him falling until Tarver beat him he then went down to #4.

 

All MindReader asked you, was if you held Roy responsible for the rematch not happening earlier.

Again, earlier on in this thread, you have held him responsible.


Regarding the rankings, Roy was the P4P #1 in the Ring's annual rankings of 2003.

I'm not sure why Hopkins was ranked so high. Because after Tito, he fought Daniels, Hakkar and Joppy, whereas Roy beat Woods, Ruiz and Tarver.


Anyway, could you tell me why you think the rematch should definitely have happened in 2003?

How was that viable?


No, nobody made Roy fight Ruiz. But he took the fight because of critics like you.


Also, you never finished telling me what point you were trying to make regarding Roy's career.


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Jones was a media darling of his time.

 

I answered Mind Reader's question. You are referencing something completely different.

It's not hard to figure out. Hopkins overtook Jones after the superfight with Tito in Sept 01. Hopkins held that standing until Jones beat Ruiz.

Because Jones and Hopkins were recognized as the top men in the sport and a catch weight fight was just on the table in 2002. It would have been more viable than Jones/Ruiz.

Ruiz was a heavyweight titlist but carefully selected, it certainly didn't silence his critics. Smoke and mirrors.

Why do you want me to repost the same thing over and over again? I gave my thoughts on Roy 's career in my first post in this thread.