Was Manny Pacquiao on steroids for the Cotto fight?

I'm not going to vote. But I will say, I find it strange that he's the ONLY fighter to progress through weight and still maintain his speed and power. Marquez moved up two weight classes and didn't look much the same. Gamboa looked worse. Nonito lost speed and power. Floyd moved up and lost speed and power. Everyone moves up and loses it, except Pacquiao. Someone enlighten me because I can't think of another fighter that's moved up and got stronger/faster.

 

thats what makes pac so amazing

henry armstrong did it duran did it plenty of past fighters did it

 

Do you even know who they fought though? You don't know anything about those guys. They could've moved up, fought bigger guys, but those bigger guys were scrubs. Just saying.

 

I voted "don't know" BECAUSE NONE OF US DO KNOW. We cannot prove it one way or the other.

I do suspect that each of the camps involved with a fight have a pretty good idea what they are facing in the ring and probably respond accordingly, but not necessarily in like kind. This especially in the really visible matches that everyone loves to ****yze or speculate about.

Interesting to me that good nutrition plans and legal or natural supplements likely blur the line in some of the drug testing. As a believer in some of these supplements, I am currently trying to learn more about that, so my opinion may change on this topic as I go forward.

Until then, I prefer to believe the best about the fighters we discuss here, whether they are favorites to me or not.

 

He clearly lost power and speed.

:rofl:roflatsch

Cotto was TKO'd via pity stoppage from Bayless. Pac had thrown everything and the kitchen sink at Cotto and couldn't get him out of there.

Pac threw everything and kitchen sink at Oscar De La Hoya and couldn't get him out of there, produce a KD, or seriously hurt him.

Clottey = never hurt

Mosley = never hurt, scored a KD

 

Innocent until proven guilty. Too bad some Pac fans can't give Marquez the same benefit of the doubt.

 

No

Cottos known for getting the snot beat out of him

 

Americans are indeed the PED taking hypocrites in sports.

I voted, yes. Why not right, even the playing field.

 

No. Even floyd had to pay pac for defamation.

Lets talk about floyd and TRT. Floyd is best friends with Don Hale who happens to own dozens of TRT facilities.


where you at floydettes?

 

They're in hiding. They've never once acknowledged this fact because they know it's shady as hell.

:deal

 

All jokes aside. Because thats exactly what these threads turn into, alot of people forget that right around the time that Manny started cracking skulls his upper body muscles, facial hair and facial structure all became dramatically more pronounced.

In this case, this wasn't a 18, 19, 20 year old getting into his man body at 25, 26, or 27 years old. He was already a full grown man, who had been boxing for awhile.

A physical transformation like the one I viewed seemed to hint at some performance enhancement beyond just normal strength and conditioning coaching or instruction. At this point though, I could care less, its history and nobody will ever know but Manny and his think tank.

One final point, everyone talks about him not failing a drug test, but just like any sport, boxers have an off season in between fights. Performance enhancing drugs are usually done in cycles, its very easy to pump in the "off season" and then dry out before a big event; by then the damage is done as they say and said fighter is on a different level.

Food for thought!

 

You on crack. Jordan was always great but being a part of Smith's team system he would never be the focal point of any team until he arrived at Chicago. And he went 3rd overall because picks one and two prioritized getting a center in the draft, otherwise he'd be number one. Also, his defense was already stellar, probably one of his main strengths coming out of colllege. In hindsight, I'm sure whomever drafted Bowie deserves seppuku.

From the wiki:

As a freshman in coach Dean Smith's team-oriented system, he was named ACC Freshman of the Year after he averaged 13.4 points per game (ppg) on 53.4% shooting (field goal percentage).[15] He made the game-winning jump shot in the 1982 NCAA Championship game against Georgetown, which was led by future NBA rival Patrick Ewing.[3] Jordan later described this shot as the major turning point in his basketball career.[16] During his three seasons at North Carolina, he averaged 17.7 ppg on 54.0% shooting, and added 5.0 rebounds per game (rpg).[1] He was selected by consensus to the NCAA All-American First Team in both his sop****re (1983) and junior (1984) seasons. After winning the Naismith and the Wooden College Player of the Year awards in 1984, Jordan left North Carolina one year before his scheduled graduation to enter the 1984 NBA Draft. The Chicago Bulls selected Jordan with the third overall pick, after Hakeem Olajuwon (Houston Rockets) and Sam Bowie (Portland Trail Blazers).

 

Excellent rebuttal:good


People can't accept that Manny with his size is so dam good ..So they cling on to the Mayweather paranoia !

 

Pac hired ariza to be his S/C coach. Even before that, pac was killing himself to make weight fighting under 140. Pac basically walks around 150 155 when not fighting. Body weight increase and change as we age. Unless you have some sort of medical condition.

speaking of ariza, isnt ariza on floyds team now? Is floyd gonna receive the same treatment from floydettes as a roid user since ariza seems to be the reason why pac was accused of roid use.


where you at floydettes?

 

He didn't lose it, he's just fighting bigger guys than before.