Roy Jones.

I absolutely think Hopkins should have taken 60-40, especially if Roy had to drop weight.

 

Same old rubbish from you.

He didn't simply wait until he was in his 30's, until he took risky fights.

No, it's not only Roy who missed bigger fights.

There's hole's in many fighters resumes.

Let's not pretend that everybody wanted to fight Roy, but he simply wasn't interested.

You're completely and utterly biased.

If Liles had have accepted his biggest payday, he'd have fought Liles.

If HBO could have negotiated with Kohl to bring Dariusz to the U.S. he'd have fought Dariusz.

If Hopkins had accepted the lower percentage, or had been willing to move up to LHW to renegotiate, that fight could have taken place.

But I guess it was all Roy's fault, right?

He was a serial ducker, who only wanted to fight the Frazier's of the world.

You obviously have no idea whatsoever of what happens behind the scenes.

If a fight doesn't get made, it has to be because someone's ducked.

 

That doesn't wash with Mongoose.

Guess what else?

The fact that Roy had already beaten him shouldn't have been taken into account, on the grounds that it had happened a long time earlier.

Ha!

Nothing like being objective, eh?

 

I think he could have been more aggressive about going after DM. I don't see why the fight necessarily HAD to have taken place in the US either.. Hell if he didn't want to fight him in Poland or Germany they probably could have found a neutral meeting ground in London perhaps and both men would have made a sh-t load of money even if it didn't amount to quite as much both of them wanted. Virgil Hill was the closest thing that the division had to a lineal champion since Spinks vacated and DM dethroned him before Jones got to him. For the next several years both DM and Jones went unbeaten and facing comparable opposition. I can't see Jones as having undisputed claim to the light heavyweight title. Not when there was a man running around who was basically is equal in a lot of aspects.

 

How biased are you?

Why didn't Hopkins give us the rematch we wanted?

For the last time, he wanted Roy to MOVE DOWN in weight.

He wouldn't go to LHW.

Roy had ALREADY BEATEN him.

Yet it was Roy's fault that the fight didn't happen, because he wouldn't accept an equal split?

Bernard didn't deserve an equal split.

You are a joker!

 

Ha!

It wouldn't have mattered if it'd have been 90 years!

A guy who's lost the first fight, can't go to the negotiating table for a rematch, expecting an equal split.

 

Its funny Bernard wouldn't go up to LHW to fight Roy, but gladly moved up 4 years later to fight an even bigger Tarver, and then after the fight bragged that he could have moved up 4 years earlier.

It was Bernard's fault that fight did not happen then.

Bernard wanted no part of Roy or the LHW division while Roy was reigning. That much is clear to me. Which is why he demanded 50-50 and for Roy to drop weight, something he knew Roy wouldn't go for.

 

I agree about a neutral venue.

But they both had huge egos, and neither would back down.

But by the time HBO's proposal of a double header had been faxed over, talks had broken down completely.

At that point, a neutral venue wasn't a possibility.

Kohl was purposely ignoring phone calls from HBO's Kerry Davis.

But IMO, Dariusz's resume speaks for itself. After the belt fiasco, he just seemed content to defend the WBO belt in Germany against mainly B class opposition.

I don't think he had any intentions of fighting Roy.

 

Exactly!

It was just BS by him, trying to con the fans into thinking that he wanted the fight.

Did he move up to Roy's weight? No.

Did he try and renegotiate? No.

Yet he really wanted the fight?

Of course he did.


In the end, he pulled a Calzaghe.

He told everyone he didn't want to fight Roy, because it wouldn't be right, because Roy had lost all of his attributes etc.

Then 16 months later, he's in the ring facing him.

It was a joke.

 

Yeah I suspect that both parties played a part in that fight never being made. Darius had his own belt, his own fan base and a decent income without having to play by anyone's rules and incidentally so did Jones. As far as DM fighting B level opponents I think the same could be said for Roy as they both basically fought a comparable list of men and in some cases even the same guys.

 

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Yeah, Roy did fight B class mando's.

But both during and after talks had been held, Dariusz fought King, Lakatos, De Grandis, Hall x 2, (after Roy had hammered him) Harmon, (after Roy had easily beaten him) and Gonzalez. (after Roy had easily beaten him)

It's clear that he never wanted a big fight.

Although Roy fought Hall, Telesco, Harding, Harmon, Gonzalez and Woods etc, he was looking for big fights, and he went on to fight Tarver, Ruiz, Johnson, Calzaghe, and Hopkins etc.

IMHO, Dariusz wouldn't have fought guys of that calibre, even if he'd have prolonged his career.

 

This got nutty quick. Wouldn't expect anything less from Jones fans who were content with his magic tricks.

 

DM and Jones' resumes at LHW are comparable, damn near on the level until DM fell off with the Gonzales upset.

 

Do you really consider Roy not wanting to drop weight for 50-50 against a fighter he already beat a magic trick??

I respect your boxing knowledge, and you are a good poster, but it is hard to defend Hopkins in this particular situation.

 

It's easy actually. Hopkins was just named Fighter of the Year by multiple publications. He was coming off a successful high profile and profitable 20 million dollar fight. He was the undisputed Champion of his weight class. He was regarded as P4P #1. Why should he take a paycut to move up in weight? Most importantly, he wasn't the one demanding more money.

50/50 is fair. The burden of proof falls on Jones deserving more money. That is hard to prove.