kubrat pulev vs donovan ruddock how does it go ???

He got lazy going into the Washington fight. Not uncommon for a fighter who was otherwise staying busy and got complacent over a journeyman. Certainly less concerning than Thompson gaining 20 lbs in such a short time, unless you're going to argue that this was a preparation tactic

No he was actually 6'3". Huge difference there right? And Dokes was quite broad shouldered.

Except neither of them weighed "245" for the fights in question... Dokes was 240 for Ruddock and Thompson was 264 for Pulev. Dokes looked better.

Thanks but something tells me I'm still going to get a response.

 

Why pretend this was isolated, he looked horrible against Dascola as well, and was 246. This was the lead in to the Ruddock fight.

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Two completely different body types, pointless to hold them to the same standard of weight.

Well obviously I was making a point of the way they carry their weight. Thompson looked fat in the first Price fight, but fine in the rematch and Pulev. He was 259-264 for these I believe.

Both men were above their peak fighting weight by about 20 lbs, but Thompson certainly carried his better.

 

Like so many fighters Dokes rose to the occasion for the big fights while often being out of shape when the stakes weren't so high. He was in stellar shape for holyfield and in "decent" shape for Ruddock. Neither Dokes nor Thompson were in great form for their bouts with Ruddock and Pulev. I like Dokes because not only was he significantly lighter for Ruddock but he was more muscular so I disagree that Tony carried his weight better. This is also on top of Dokes being more than a decade younger, more active, higher ranked and having the better career track record. You're trying to make a case for Dokes being a fat slob while describing Thompson as being ideally fit and neither of these are true. The only argument you can really make is that Dokes had a tad bit more around the mid section, but given that neither of these guys had 8 pack abs, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Dokes was more solid everywhere else.

 

people forget that some of Holmes challengers had 10, 12, 13, 14,14, 15, 16,fights and even in the70's and 90's some slim pickings. Vlad has 66 fights and on a roll, this is not to say it could end at any time at 38 + . Still he is an accomplished professional and tough guy to beat with many tools. Pulev is a rugged guy but green compared to Vlad. How good are his tools remains to be seen but Povetkin really impressed me in his last 2 fights and I would send him into any era with expectations of him holding up pretty well and he was dominated by Vlad

 

Fair points. I have a high opinion of Povetkin. Pulev is decent but a tier below.

 

I think Povetkin still has the best chance to dethrone Wlad. He's quality. Maybe he should find a ref more deferential to him, tho.

 

I don't know. He got decked some four or five times and took a pretty hard beating.. A different ref might have penalized Wlad more but he also might have stopped the fight altogether when Alexander was getting creamed.

 

Ruddock late stoppage.

 

Depsite the sloppy nature of the engagements, still a great performancr by Wlad. To my knowledge, Povetkin hadnt been down even as an amateur and Wlad scrambled his brains with a quick, short hook.

Still, if Povetkin changed his attack just a bit in angle or at least varied it, he could fund Wlads chin a lot more often. And he's a good finisher with a mean streak.

 

Embrace the tangents, brah.

 

I have to disagree. I do think getting down to 240 from 250+ showed he tried to take the fight seriously but couldn't get there.

I agree.

Not a fair comparison since Thompson's prime weight of 245 is still 20+ lbs higher than Dokes. He's just naturally a bigger man who carries more weight.

Arguable he was more active. Thompson took the Pulev fight just a month after knocking out Price. I don't think the better career track record matters, in the leads in Dokes just had two horrid performances against a journeyman and a can. Thompson had just blasted out a than highly touted prospect twice.

Dokes was higher rated for sure, but this was milk from the Holyfield fight. A lot happened in 12 months after that.

 

Interesting fight. Good tough fight

Lets see, I go for the guy with the sloppy defense. Oops, that doesn't narrow it down.

I'd go with Kubrat in an upset of sorts. Decision or late tko.

Here's why....He's a big guy so Ruddock does not have a built in size advantage fat his disposal to utilize. That translates to him having to work to create his openings. that's the problem. He isn't busy enough and he telegraphs punches too much when he does bother to throw. And, he fights dumb.

Pulev's defense should be better against a guy like this that throws a long wide hook and maybe he can deflect it. Short inside hooks are bad news but that's not the punch Razor threw. But Pulev has a big edge in handspeed here and I think he can get his jab jab to land against that Ruddock defense.

I also think Pulev is a guy with a big heart and is in good enough shape to weather a storm or 2. That's the key. If he can, I think he wins the rounds on workrate.

And Ruddock fights an "if only" fight and finds a way to lose. Like if only Razor had finished him when he had him ready to go.

 

He wasn't 250 for the entire year between the Holy and Razor fights. He was 235 for Crabtree, 229 for Watson, 253 for Washington, 246 for Dascola and finally 240 for Ruddock. His weight was inconsistent but that had largely to do with the opposition he was fighting. I still think he looked decent for Ruddock even if it wasn't ideal.

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I never really thought Thompson was religious about training either and 264 is still a pretty big rise from being in prime weight. Dokes gained pounds but some of that was muscle.

fighting 4 times in 13 months >>>>>> fighting two times in 13 months. Simple mathematics.

Sure it matters. Because it shows a longer duration of better overall performances against better fighters. He looked bad against Washington because he showed up out of shape for that fight and Washington was no pushover anyway if you've ever seen him. You've eluded to the Dascola fight but I've never seen nor read anything about it outside of just seeing the result listed in ring magazine years ago. You also omitted his performance against Wesley Watson - a fight in which Dokes showed up at 229 and destroyed him. Watson was a decent prospect and a good amateur.

Yes one of the best heavyweight battles in years along with getting right back to business shortly after losing and that career track record I spoke of..

I think we've debated long enough about who was in better form, Dokes for Ruddock or Thompson for Pulev. If you want to go with Thompson then fine. But in any event, the difference was marginal and Ruddock beat Dokes far more emphatically than Pulev did Thompson along with taking a near prime Tyson the distance in a competitive fight as opposed to getting sparked in five by a 38 year old Wlad. My vote is Ruddock beats Pulev.

 

As much as I like Holyfield, I feel perhaps he made Dokes and Stewart look a bit better than they were in 1989.