Calzaghe's resume?

WRONG and how many times have you been told this bailey yet you persist with your lie.


If I start up a new "light cruiserweight" division title called the Failey Boxing Assication title, and the WBA does too on the same day, which one will be worth more? which one will people hear about?
DO YOU REALLY BELIEVE THE Failey boxing association title is worth the same as the world recognised WBA one even though its a new division? Do you think anyone well known will be queuing to fight for the Failey title as much as the WBA one? NO ONE WILL HAVE HEARD OF THE FAILEY ONE FOR STARTERS! So no one will be wanting it.
U arrogant little **** if you do believe the two are worth the same, and so wrong to boot.

And worse you are asking Barry to answer this as if its somehow a valid point, when its been disproven years ago,

it shows that wbo fighters need to move on more than other governing bodies.

Barrys talking about the 90s, why you mixing in 00s WBO data?
U failed.

eubie did help the wbo ttile gain recognition, but that doesn't alter where it started from AS BARRY SAID.

don't cut up worst data compared to best data for another group, compare like for like. then you will get an answer, because then you will be asking a valid question.

 

OK, I'll start with the most obvious and simplistic part - SMW is one division, a division that didn't come into existence until 1984, there were 15 other weight classes already established by this time that you conveniently forget to mention. So anything you say beyond this is already totally undermined. You are a troll, the end.

 

I disagree.
I think super-middleweight was one of the few titles where WBO carried prestige.

Thomas Hearns, Chris Eubank and Steve Collins were top fighters.

Maybe the title took a knock on its prestige when Collins retired a few days before due to face Calzaghe, who was forced to face a late-replacement Eubank.
But maybe all the other titles lost a bit of prestige too, when several of the big name fighters retired or moved up.

 

I think it also took a knock when they moved Darrin Morris up in their super-middleweight rankings in 2001, despite the fact he's been dead for a year.

 

Yeah, but to be fair, he would have still been even-money in a fight with Tocker Pudwill.

 

Beating Abraham is better than beating Reid 4

oh my what Calzaghe haters will reach for

 

Abraham 2 weight world champ, beat guys like Taylor, Stieglitz twice, Miranda twice, got jobbed vs Dirrel and fought Ward. Abraham clearly fought the better opposition and achieved more.

 

You note Abraham fought Ward, but Reid fought Calzaghe and Ottke who were far more accomplished SMWs

Now lets look further into your post

Taylor was on a run of 1-2 when Abraham fought him and coming off a KO loss. Also what SMW pedigree does Taylor have?
Stieglitz, who has beaten who? Abraham on a poor run? In fact the 2 wins Abraham has over Stieglitz can be debated and he was also stopped by Robert.
Miranda, who has what SMW pedigree.

Now Reid beat WBC champ Nardiello away in Italy
beat future WBC MW champ Cherifi
beat world rated SMW Wharton
beat undefeated future SMW world champ Magee
Also many felt Reid deserved the win over Ottke.

Do you think prime Reid would have been stopped by Stieglitz? I dont, I would strongly favour Reid with his resume over Abraham and Stieglitz

 

Nardiello was past his best and was never a world beater.
Cherfi was a terrible world champ
Wharton - Solid win
Magee - Ok win
Ottke - He lost (you only go by numbers or statistics so you cant claim it as anything other than a loss as it's on paper and is a statistic)

Out of curiosity where do you rate Calzaghe in the ATG standings?

 

Nardiello was a world champ and defending at home.
The Wharton win is arguably greater than any Abraham has, when you look at Stieglitz resume, arguably the Magee win could be also.
I havent claimed Reid beat Ottke. I pointed that many felt he did win and didnt site it as a win, but tell me, who do you feel won?

As for Calzaghe as an ATG? I am not knowledgeable enough on all eras past that I have not witnessed myself, so I like to stick to what I have witnessed.
At SMW, he is the best in my opinion. His resume is the best. I have watched SMW from the beginning and cant see its debateable except to posters who really dont know

Edit -
Im the first to admit Calzaghe had his share of gimme fights, but you have to look at what he did do, who against etc, and that there puts him at the top.
A big thing when Calzaghe fought is that all of the best SMWs or most of, were European, so the division didnt have American interest and because of that some posters say it was weak, when it wasnt. When Lacy turned up, it was suddenly interesting for American fans. Had Calzaghe retired when Lacy came on the scene and Lacy gone on and beaten Beyer, I expect it would have been noted as a good win over a 3 time champ and impressive and Lacy would have been a unified champ and possibly rated, with I expect many saying he would have beaten Calzaghe and Calzaghe retired to avoid him etc. Its often down to hype and perception. Froch gets credit now for losing to Ward but winning other fights. The S6 created hype and got fighters recognised

 

no, calzaghe had accomplished the wbogus title at the time of their fight and stuck with it for years, ottke was a cheat, and ward was in the process of unifying.

 

awesome post, btw.

 

Robin Reid lost to 70 year-old Malinga and got schooled by Silvio Branko FFS, he was average at best, so it's hardly reaching to say that Abraham was the better fighter. But oh wait, Reid gave your lord and saviour Saint Joseph of Calzaghe all he could handle so he must be some kind of boxing god, just like Kessler was, who was going to KO Ward and easily win the Super 6.

Honestly, it's almost sickening that people who take the time to post on boxing forum can actually be so clueless.