Roy Jones vs Jess Willard

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  1. mcvey

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    And GunBoat Smith
     
  2. The Mongoose

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    He could punch too.

    If Jones is going to pull this off it would be with movement and timing, not power punching. If Jones does a Dempsey, i would eat my damn hat. Not happening. No way. I can't see him doing anything but occasionally stunning Big Jess with a well timed punch. He was a big, durable man, who used his size and could box very well. On film, he reminds me of Vitali.

    [url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5lmExNRjVQ[/url]
     
  3. mcvey

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    Something's wrong here, I agree:huh
     
  4. janitor

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    I see that the comparison doesn't sit comfortably with you, but there are certain stylistic similarities that cannot be overlooked.

    Call him a poor mans Vitally Klitschko if you want, but he was doing much the same thing, and it was working for much the same reasons.
     
  5. janitor

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    So size really is nothing?

    You can be the size of Vitally Klitschko, with dynamite power, and a granite chin, and unquestionably world class, but it could be overcome by much smaller fighter with good speed/technique?

    It is not a fatal problem in this fight, if you are a former middleweight, with a weak chin, who never fought beyond twelve rounds.

    Honestly, this is on a par with me picking Jack Dillon over Vitally Klitschko!
     
  6. LittleRed

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    The difference is Klitschko never lost to a guy that size. Even Byrd was 6' and over 200 pounds.
     
  7. janitor

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    Lets not forget that he went on to make the LHW limit.
     
  8. janitor

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    You have half a point here.

    The Rodel fight came immediately after Willard had killed Bull Young, and Willard seems to have been unable to let his hands go. Rodels manager seems to have spread rumours that Rodel had a weak heart, in order to exploit willards fear of killing another opponent. When Willard found out about this he was furious, and punished Rodel in the rematch.

    In the McMahon fight, Willard was a late replacement for Battling Levinsky, and he does not seem to have been in good condition. He refused to disclose his weight.

    At the time of the Smith fight, he had only been in the professional game for two years, and Smith was a veteran of 40+ fights. You could certainly argue that he was inexperienced.

    It also should be noted that these guys all had fairly extensive heavyweight CVs.
     
  9. janitor

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    I don't dispute what you are saying, but he was about 37 at the time.

    I don't think that somebody like Tommy Loughran would have been a viable light heavy at that age.

    Despite the disaster, it might actually have improved Byrd's legacy, because it put his wins over Tua and Klitschko into perspective.
     
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  11. LittleRed

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    Yeah but that was; a. A 24 hour weigh in. If you gave a 37 year old Tommy Loughran 24 hours he could probably make 175. I know he was retired at 37 but he was about 190 at the time. Kovalev came in to the ring against Hopkins at 185 and he is not considered a big cutter. b. Byrd had previously bulked up through 'modern nutrition'. If you time machine Dillon and give him the same treatment as Byrd so that he is 200 lbs, just as quick, and stronger than you have a fight.
     
  12. McGrain

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    Roy quitting in his corner after what - 24, 30, 32 rounds? How long can you move under pressure is the real question here.
     
  13. kingfisher3

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    what is the weather conditions? neutral corner rule?

    if hot then about 58/42 in jones's favour

    if mild then 90/10

    if no neutral corner rule jones by tko a massive % of the time.
     
  14. superconan

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    Ruiz landed a solid right hand in the first round on Jones. Hurt Jones, but he was able to answer back right away.
     
  15. janitor

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    Not necessarily.

    A few light heavyweights, were coming into catchweight fights at 185+, prior to the 24 hour weigh in.