Why is it that so many British "favourites" struggle in America against Americans?

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  1. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    What is it in your opinion. Over the years I have seen so many of our boxers look like rubbish, at least compared to what you would expect them to, when fighting in America against an American.

    We seem to do ok when they come over here, but whenever a fight is over there with a favourite from Britain more often than not we seem to do **** win, lose or draw.

    Is it the crowds, the environment or the biased reffering maybe? or is it just that a lot of their fighters are washed

    Off the top of my head:

    1. Joe Calzaghe vs. Bernard Hopkins - Looked very s****py, got the win. Hopkins is a great yes but still sub par and it could have gone either way.
    2. Joe Calzaghe vs. Roy Jones Jr. - Again won the fight but sub par display. He was near the end of his career but I still expected a bit more.
    3. Clinton Woods vs. Antonio Tarver - I really expected a win from Woods, who was going into the fight as the champion but he just looked terrible.
    4. Naseem Hamed vs. Kevin Kelly - Hamed was a big favourite but nearly got beat in this one. Managed to stop him in the end but was expected to do so far more easily.
    5. Ricky Hatton vs. Luis Collazo - This was expected to be a routine win for Hatton but in the end could have gone either way with Hatton nearly being stopped towards the end..
    6. Amir Khan vs. Lamont Peterson - Khan was a huge favourite probably something like 10 to 1 on but ended up losing on points to a determined Peterson.
    7. Carl Froch vs. Glen Johnson - Really washed up version of Glen Johnson and in the end the fight could have gone either way.
    8. Carl Froch vs. Jermain Taylor - Looked at as one of Froch's best wins but in reality Taylor had looked poor for a few years before this fight and was knocked out not long after. Froch was dropped and lost every round before a last 30 seconds KO.
    9. Carl Froch vs. Andre Ward - Carl lost every round and was completely ut classed.
    10. Amir Khan vs. Danny Garcia - Khan was a big favourite but switched off and got battered.
    There are probably hundreds of examples but off the top my head this is a few. Of course there are a few exceptions to this rule but there is always a good chance you will be dissapointed when a British guy is fighting in America against an American.
     
  2. Furey

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    Joe Calzaghe vs. Bernard Hopkins - Calzaghe's 2nd last fight whilst moving up in weight.

    Joe Calzaghe vs. Roy Jones Jr. - Calzaghe's last fight and he won convincingly.


    Clinton Woods vs. Antonio Tarver - Tarver was the first man to stop Roy Jones...

    Naseem Hamed vs. Kevin Kelly - Hamed put on a show and ended up knocking Kelly out, he wasn't a 'big' favourite and it was his first big fight in the states.

    Ricky Hatton vs. Luis Collazo - Hattons first fight at Welter... Hatton was at his best at 140.

    Amir Khan vs. Lamont Peterson - Khan won that fight in most peoples eyes, dropped Peterson then it turned out Peterson was on the juice.


    Carl Froch vs. Glen Johnson - Froch convincingly beat Johnson.
     
  3. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    1. Everyone looks bad against Hopkins. Hopkins is very good.
    2. Calzaghe was old. Still beat Jones comfortably.
    3. Tarver was better than Woods
    4. Hamed was too ****y and against a good fighter that's what happens.
    5. Hatton wasn't suited to 147, was notoriously undisciplined between fights. Collazo was good, slick and hard to beat and look good against.
    6. Khan struggles against pressure and is poor on the inside. Peterson might have been on PED's.
    7. Johnson is extremely tough, experienced, wily and has a good defense, right hand and countering ability. Combine that with the fact that Froch is quite slow and poor defensively and you end up with a close(ish) fight.
    8. Taylor was simply a faster, better boxer than Froch. His chin and mental/physical stamina let him down.
    9. Ward is simply a much faster, better boxer than Froch.
    10. Khan wasn't the most defensively aware back then and Garcia has a huge left hook and is pretty good at timing it.

    IMO the reason Brits sometimes struggle against some of the Americans is because they are usually fighting better fighters than they are used to facing and/or different styles.
     
  4. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Froch did not convincingly beat Johnson.

    Khan lost the fight, yes it was close but most expected a KO win.

    Hatton which ever way you see it put in a sub par performance.

    Hamed was a big favourite.

    Woods was world champion beating Glen Johnson who beat Tarver. Tarver had just looked like **** vs. Hopkins. The fight wasn't even close, I expected it to be at least that.

    As for Joe Calzaghe, I know he didn't look his best in those two fights, yes they were his last fights but he didn't look 100%.
     
  5. Buonaparte

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    It's a mixture. There are plenty of British fighters that have gone across the pond and performed well against the odds: Honeyghan vs Curry, Brook vs Porter, Benn vs Barkley.

    Sometimes the yanks play games, too. Turpin vs Robinson II they didn't let Turpin train and accused him of ****; Hamed vs Kelly they kept Hamed dancing on his ring walk for about 10-15 mins to undermine his confidence; Khan vs Peterson was a stitch up in lots of respects (Peterson juiced to the gills, Khan docked points unfairly, questionable decision)
     
  6. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can agree with that summary. We seem to do well against other European countries etc but I guess there is so much variety and there market is so hard to crack that sometimes our boxers are not ready for it completely.

    I still think for our size we probably have better boxers but over there is the Mecca of boxing so even guys you have never heard of could have been sparring Mayweather and Pacquiao and other top names right from the start of there pro career.

    I do think in one or two of the fights I have mention Cortez's biased reffereeing played a part as well.
     
  7. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes I probably should have mentioned those and I did think of all of those examples when writing this but do you know what I mean? More often than not out guys seem to under perform over there.
     
  8. Jim Jeffries

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    nice troll thread man. 10 out of 10 :rofl:rofl:rofl
     
  9. Gneus7

    Gneus7 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hatton vs Mayweather is an example of biased refereeing. Floyd is the better fighter and probably would have won anyway but the ref really worked against Hatton there.
     
  10. Robney

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    A combination of above options.

    In boxing home advantage is HUGE. Even bigger as football and such sports in my opinion.
     
  11. Buonaparte

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    I do know what you mean. I think mcuh of it is simply down to it being hard to fight well away from home. All the odds are stacked against you - home town decisions, little support, unfamiliarity with surroundings, effects of travel. It ain't easy. That's why promoters seek to get home advantage.
     
  12. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Yeah they would have all been destroyed if they fought in Britain
     
  13. woombox

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    For me this is pretty much a thing of the past. American boxers/fighters, mainly African American were better than the UK blokes. However the last couple of years, in my opinion, the UK fighters are world class and the US fighters do not have the superiority anymore. If we see Dirrell /Degale and Dirrell/Groves in the immediate future, these fights will show that. Some UK Boxers still get way overrated but that can be said for many countries.
     
  14. iceferg

    iceferg Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yes Cortez stopped Hatton from fighting on the nside all night yet when Calzaghe boxed Hopkins he let Hopkins use dirty tricks on the inside for the full fight.
     
  15. woombox

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    Khan v Petersen was a 'huge' stitch up. That referee was shockingly bad! Having said that Petersen seemed to have a career best night and made it a close fight.