Journeyman discussion

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  1. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    growing up most of the men I saw regularly were journeyman on local networks and over the years I grew to appreciate them. Men like Jesse Ferguson, Ross Purity, Joe Hipp, and many many others are the guys that I like to label as " The Workman" of boxing. They fight actively taking on men of all levels ranging from the young hopeful prospect to the highest ranking fighters and everyone in between. I've seen some exciting s****s with a few of these guys as well and some of them even rose above their journeyman level for brief periods of their careers. Oliver McCall is one example. What are your thoughts on journeyman and list some of your favorites.. Any weight division and era will do.
     
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  2. WhyYouLittle

    WhyYouLittle Stand Still Full Member

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    Augustus is my favorite. Thank god he made it. One piece of good news in a very 5hitty year.
     
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  3. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Marion Wilson as heavyweight
    George S**** Iron Johnson - HVWT
    Art"The Dart" Kettles-welter-70's
    Ross Purity-H
    Everit Martin-H
    Angel Robinson Garcia-light-welter-( 1955-1978 career )amazing career
     
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  4. ideafix12

    ideafix12 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I dont consider neither hipp or mccall as journeyman.
    Some really good journeyman are sedreck fields,zuri lawrence and ,demetrice king
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  5. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I think Journeyman is actually a broad category that can cover a wide range of varying talents. As for McCall I agree that his whole career can't be chalked up to that of a journeyman. But I think prior to beating Lewis and stepping up his game that was where he stood and eventually returned to after he declined. The same can be said for James Braddock. Joe Hipp at best was a fringe contender. At parts of his career he probably could have been a high end journeyman.
     
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  6. Titan1

    Titan1 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Jesse Ferguson was a good fighter.He gave Dokes hell in a fight, if I remember right, years ago.I liked and respected George Chaplin also.
     
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  7. VVMM

    VVMM Well-Known Member Full Member

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    The journeyman is a stupid category.This doesn't say **** about a
    fighter's actual quality.
     
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  8. Nighttrain

    Nighttrain 'BOUT IT 'BOUT IT Full Member

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    Well put :cool:
     
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  9. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    I've started looking more closely at George Chaplin's career in recent times and agree that he appeared to be a solid opponent. He beat some decent fighters and gave a good effort against some of the better prospects and contenders of the 80's.
     
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  10. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    Buck Smith's career is actually rather interesting. He fought in a tremendous number of fights and apparently used to drive around the country looking for boxing matches where he could find them.
     
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  11. PowerPuncher

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    A journeyman isn't necessarily less talented than the champion or hyped up prospect, traditionally he's the man who goes town to town. In that sense both McCall and Walcott were journeymen.

    McCall while going to his opponents back yard was also a prospect, was a top contender or fringe contender and owned a fraction of the champion ship. He has a good resume. Aside from beating Lewis, Old Holmes, Maskeev, Akinwande, Sanil Sam, Damiani he also has a case for beating Tucker. There's 6 title holders right there.

    Malinga was a very good journeyman from the 90s. He was always fighting in an opponents home town. He was robbed against Benn and maybe deserved to beat Eubank. Then he beat Benn for the title, was robbed of the title in Italy before winning it back. It'd almost be the script for a classic boxing movie if he was more exciting.

    Purrity ofcourse beat Wlad and deserved to beat Morrison.

    Ngoudjo was another African journeyman who got shafted a few times. Deserved to beat Castillo after his Corrales win and before Hatton beat him. Then easily beat Malignaggi but got robbed. Then wins an eliminator against Mbaiye and fights Urango. I didn't see the Urango fight

    Lovemore Ndou was another top African journeyman. He deserved to take Sharmba Mitchel's belt off him, he gave Cotto a good fight while making the much bigger Cotto back up breaking his ribs I believe, lost against Witter but made it very close after being down several times, beats Rabeh to win the IBF title after Rabeh had been robbed against Urango only to lose widely to Malignaggi, then deserved to beat Malignaggi in the rematch only to get robbed.
     
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  12. mr. magoo

    mr. magoo VIP Member Full Member

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    True and good points.
     
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  13. AREA 53

    AREA 53 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Tom "The Bomb" Bethea was a fierce Have Bag Will Travel Merchant
    He Sprung a few Upsets on his Travels as Well ( Rowe / Benvenuti )

    Carlos Marks was a Nomadic Test piece for Upcomers
     
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  14. Bummy Davis

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    The Bomb was a good one, I remember him 165lbs battering Big Leroy Jones 250lbs in the gym in NYC 28th st. gym
     
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  15. scartissue

    scartissue Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Raul Montoya
    Joe Tetteh
    Randy Smith (Chicago)

    All resilient, who could pull the upset every so often.
     
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