Joe Calzaghe retired 46-0 (32) in 2008. Get over it. Fans & haters; quit trolling!

Seriously, you should be banned from typing this.

It was amusing at first, but now it's beyond a joke.

How many more times are you going to ask the same questions???

I answered these points twice last year, yet you still claim that nobody can answer you.

 

Yet despite all of that, he remained at the weight for a further nine years.

Also, Woodhall being #3, Reid being #6, and Tate being #7, tells you what a poor division it was.

 

What pedigree did Joe have at LHW, when he beat Bernard?

I think that win shouldn't count.

 

All Roy's opponents were "on another level" so to speak, so how can we know how he'd do against Calzaghe and Ward? Roy knew how to outpoint great fighters who liked to counter, but he never had to deal with a great pressure fighter with a good chin and comparable speed.

I can see him icing Ward, but I can also see Ward getting on him and working him over. Same goes for Calzaghe except I can't see Roy knocking him out. When you spend your entire career fighting guys who you should've fought as a prospect, you leave a lot open to speculation:

UD Hopkins: (at 160)
-Not a great fighter at the time.. no world level experience
-Drew with Mercado a year later
-Got a good win against Johnson 4 years later
-Got a great win against Trinidad 8 years later
-There is NO WAY that Ward and Calzaghe wouldn't have beaten this version of Hopkins (if he was 168).

KO Malinga:
-8 losses including Benn, Eubank, and Rocchigiani.
-In his last 6 he was 3-3

UD Chirino:
-Journeyman, already KO'd by Collins, Benn, and a nobody.

KO Garcia:
-Journeyman, already stopped by Toney and 4 nobodies.

UD Toney:
-Great win at 160 over Nunn (very good fighter)
-Good wins at 168 over Barkley and Littles (decent fighters)
-Overrated win at cruiser over Jirov (never beat anyone)
-Overrated win at heavyweight over Holyfield (totally shot)
-At 160 Nunn and McCallum showed he could be outboxed (above McCallum's prime weight), Johnson showed he could be dropped, and Griffin at 175 showed he could be outboxed (twice).
-Toney is considered great, but...he was really just very good...at 160.
-Jones outboxed him and dropped him. These things had been done before. Ward and Calzaghe would have dominated him (but not dropped him).

TKO Byrd
-Already lost to Littles and Holmes and knocked out by a nobody.
-Went on to lose to a nobody and get knocked out by Brewer.

TKO Pazienza
-Already had 5 losses including a KO at LIGHTWEIGHT.
-Never beat anybody and lost every time he stepped even close to world level.

KO Thornton
-Nicknamed the "Punching Postman" ffs
-Losses to 3 nobodies along with Eubank, Collins, and Toney.

RTD Lucas
-Already lost to Tiozzo and Brannon and never had any good wins before or after.
-Later stopped by Catley, Green, and Kessler and beaten by Beyer.

TKO Brannon
-Never beat anybody significant, later KO'd by a nobody.

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You can't seriously rate any of his wins at 168 aside from Toney, and as I pointed out, Toney is extremely overrated and had obvious weakness that other fighters had exposed. Calzaghe and Ward have NO WEAKNESSES at 168 (aside from Ward not having a cast-iron chin).

Calzaghe and Ward would have ripped through the opponents Roy fought at 168. A lot of the guys that Calzaghe and Ward beat would also beat everyone that Roy fought at 168 (aside from Toney).

Roy never challenged himself and we don't know how good he really was. He never really left the prospect circuit. When he stepped up to decent fighters in Johnson and Tarver, they knocked him out. You can argue it was the weight cut or whatever, but the fact is they were also the best light heavyweights he ever faced.

Roy's power is even more overrated than his skill. He stopped fighters that sucked...most of the time.

Roy Jones NEVER stopped a great fighter:
-Young Hopkins (never stopped)
-Young Toney (never stopped)
-Old McCallum (never stopped)

Roy Jones wasn't even guaranteed to stop decent/poor fighters:
-Antonio Tarver (never stopped)
-Reggie Johnson (never stopped)
-Lou DelValle (never stopped)
-John Ruiz (stopped 2 times)
-Julio Cesar Gonzalez (stopped once)
-David Telesco (stopped once pre-retirement)
-Fermin Chirino (stopped 10 times)

To conclude, I think that Roy was very good at 168, particularly his power, but it wasn't the kind of power that could stop Toney so I have a hard time believing it could stop Calzaghe.

Roy was fast, but so was Calzaghe (much faster than anyone Roy had to deal with at 168).

Roy's chin was untested at 168, Calzaghe's was proven.

Roy's stamina in a fast-paced fight was never proven, Calzaghe's was off the charts.

Roy's defense/strategy against a good pressure fighter at 168 was never proven. Calzaghe was that kind of fighter.

I think they match up well and in a bygone era they might go 5-5 against each other. To suggest that one of them couldn't beat the other is crazy.

 

Calzaghe did NOT beat Bernard The Slapster got a gift decision

 

If you'd watched Roy for as long as I have, it's easy to make predictions on certain fights.

The same goes with Ward and Calzaghe.

But of course everyone is entitled to their opinions.

Styles make fights.

I think Joe would have beaten Ward.

But I think Roy would have had a much easier time with Joe, than what he would have with Ward.

Joe had great work rate, great volume, and he applied great pressure. But all that would have gotten shut down, by speed, power and precision. Go and watch Joe's fights, and see how many straight rights he got hit with. He had a great chin, and it was a good job, because he shipped a lot of shots, especially when his bravado kicked in. Roy was extremely hard to hit clean. Whereas Joe was always relatively easy to hit, despite being a great fighter. Roy would have had no issue finding him. I'm certain that Joe wouldn't have thrown a high output of shots, because he'd have been too cautious of the incoming.

Regarding Roy's SMW wins, only three of them were good-great, but the Paz knockout was awesome.

Roy could have had many more knockouts on his resume, if he'd have forced the issue.

But for the most part, he was content to take it to points.

But he proved in knocking out Griffin and Hill with single shots, that he had great power. He was the only guy to ever knock out Hill, and Hill fought at CW. Both Hill and Griffin weighed over 180 pounds on fight night. He also gained Ruiz's respect with his power.

Roy never challenged himself?

He spent his whole career fighting guys he should have done when he was a prospect?

Seriously, how biased are you?

When he stepped up to fight Johnson and Tarver he lost?

He beat better fighters than them, and he beat Tarver.

Glen Johnson wasn't the best guy he fought at LHW. He just caught Roy at the right time.

Glen wouldn't have had a chance of beating Roy in his prime. He had three struggles with Clinton Woods.

Roy fell fast and hard.

But in his prime, he was levels above guys like that.

Joe showed no weaknesses at SMW?

He was easy to hit.

Now would you like me to get the microscope out like how you've done, and access Joe's career and his WBO opponents?

And Ward's?

You don't really want me to do that.

It wouldn't look pretty.

 

KillSomething,


You're living in a fantasy if you think Roy and Joe would could have gone 5-5.


Chin - Joe
Work rate - Joe
Stamina - Joe
Footwork - Roy
Hand speed - Roy
Reflexes - Roy
Shot variation - Roy
Defence - Roy
Timing - Roy
Accuracy - Roy
Power - Roy


Roy was just the better fighter.

He had a better defence, and he had a better offense.

Again, as great as Joe was, he was always relatively easy to hit, especially with a right hand.

How could he have won?

It'd have been suicidal for Joe to have had a tear up with Roy.

And his volume and pressure would have been shut down by Roy's offense.

He just wasn't good enough.

 

I thought it was quality vs quantity.

I initially thought it was a draw.

But I've never wanted to go back and rewatch it.

 

Problem is you're comparing apples and oranges. Roy and Joe are both great H2H fighters that would be a nightmare for alomst any fighter to deal with.

Roy was a vastly superior athlete. Joe was a much better boxer.

(Nothing displays this like the way they adjusted to losing their tools. Roy lost his reflexes and became worthless. Joe lost his power and adjusted his style to remain effective.)

Roy was an outfighter/power puncher. Joe was an infighter/volume puncher.

Their styles would match up very well, and they would both stand a good chance of beating one another in their primes. It's not possible to say who's better because they were never trying to do the same things.

Styles make fights, and I would favor an intelligent, skilled, fast, awkward pressure fighter with a granite chin and bottomless stamina over a precise counterpuncher with phenomenal handspeed, power, and control of distance.

:good

 

Joe a better boxer :think based on what and against whom ? You also said Jones never stopped a great fighter but he did KO first ballet hall of famer Virgil Hill name one great fighter Joe ever beat or stopped ?

 

I think Joe Calzaghes boxing skill gets overrated because he never lost. He hardly dominated his opponents like Floyd Mayweather. Mikkel Kessler tagged him with some serious power shots and Byron Mitchell knocked him down. Facing a first grade power puncher like prime Roy Jones Jr could have ended poorly for Joe.

 

Roy for me has an asterisk he roided and with that you don't how much performance enhancing drugs helped him. He relied on his physical condition and will always have a question mark for it. I can't count a cheat against somebody who isn't and most Americans shouldn't give him a pass either. All steroid cheats should have their records expunged period!

 

Joe is the better boxer just like BHOP is the better boxer than Roy when they got old they relied on fundamentals and technique and Roy well he got knocked out....

 

Yet. Joe never proved he was the better boxer against elite level fighters ..Jones dominated fighters wether elite or journeymen yet Joe is the better boxer ..He couldn't he knock out an old Jones what are people smoking around here

 

Virgil Hill Look at who he fought. I'll grant him HOF status but he's nowhere near a great fighter.

Joe wasn't a stoppage fighter and nobody is hinging his chances vs Jones on his power. But to answer your question, Eubank and Hopkins, both of whom are much better and greater than Hill.

You call Mayweather losing 4-6 rounds against Maidana dominant? The second fight he lost 4-5 rounds as well. How about dropping 2-3 vs Cotto? When Mayweather fought Oscar he was far from dominant. He was arguably beaten by JLC...The Lacy beatdown is equivalent to the Corrales beatdown. Calzaghe got up from the Mitchell knockdown and WRECKED him in the same round, and Mitchell was a more accomplished fighter than Zab Judah who knocked down Floyd. I don't see what you're getting at.

Griffin was ahead of Jones at the time of the DQ...is that dominant?

I think Joe is clearly a better boxer because all he had was his boxing skill toward the end of his career. Just like Hopkins. Jones was totally exposed as a fighter with average skills once he lost his reflexes.