Jimmy Young vs Sonny Liston

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I don't know. I think he sits right where he belongs.. A good boxer who could spoil someone's evening every now and again.. That's about it. He was inconsistent his whole career and rarely looked like he was in it to go out and actually "capture" the win. A passive fighter with minimal power and an unimpressive style. For what its worth I think his wins over Lyle were solid and he does deserve some credit for beating Foreman and giving Norton fits.

 

Young always had man ****s , was never ripped .. Ali was 35 for Young while Young was 28 and 29 for Ossie .. he got in shaw for the rematch and lost that one too .. then lost to Dokes and ****y .. he was only thirty for ****ey .. before he lost to Williams < Neuman, Shavers .. he was losing to Jody Ballard two thirds of the way in his nationally televised bout that was a tune up for the Norton fight .. as I wrote before , Young was a spoiler, no world beater .. no one looked too good against him but he rarely looked that good himself ..

 

I dont know its a matter of taste I thought Jimmy was ahead of his times, he came up hard, I saw a few of his early fights and did not think much but he came back from the first Shavers loss, he only had like 10 fights then rebounded for a Draw with Earnie that most felt he won and then had a good run but did not always get the decision, the Norton fight took the heart out of him.

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I thought he did well against Norton

look at 6:02

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3VRYMEEDzVM


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-cgwInprhUY

 

Im picking Young in this one. I think hed tie Liston in knots and outpoint him. I think Sonny is ridiculously overrated. This comes down to style and Young is why too unorthodox for Liston. A one armed Machen did well against Liston and had him guessing for large chunks of that fight and Young was way trickier than Machen. He may not have had the same tools as Machen but he wouldnt need them. He would peck and poke and make Liston miss and frustrate him until Liston was swinging for the fences and then hed take over and win on points. As far as Im concerned he beat Norton, Ali, and Foreman and I think two of those guys are better than Liston ever was.

 

:good I see it this way as well, glad I am not alone, Im starting to 2nd guess myself

 

I'm not convinced that Young was trickier or even better than prime Eddie Machen who incidentally lost almost every round against Liston. Furthermore the version of Ali who Young went toe to toe with was basically the same one who lost to Leon Spinks and I'm still not sure Young deserved that decision. Norton and Foreman had little in common with Liston and its doubtful that throwing up in the locker room and seeing images of Jesus was Foreman's best night. Sonny had a ridiculous arm length for a man of only 6'1". His Jab is commonly compared to that of the best jabbers of all time. His power and aggression would keep Young honest and on his toes. I agree that he's overrated at times but a prime Sonny ( and not the one who fought Clay ) was a force to be reckoned with.

 

A prime Liston would have been a different proposition from a gun shy version of George Foreman. He would look to set Young up with the jab in ring centre. I would n't put it beyond Jimmy to produce an upset,though. Largley dependant on how frustrated Sonny gets.

 

Can't argue against this. If Young throws enough, it's definitely a winnable fight for him.

 

So you think Young was better than Ali ?

I think any version of in shape Ali beats him easy, I think Norton beat him pretty cleanly and I think Liston has far more game than a slow footed Lyle and can beat him on the jab alone. I also think the post retirement Foreman beats Young.

 

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I tend to agree,Cobra. Nobody beats a 1975-77 Jimmy Young EASILY.

 

I strongly doubt it. I feel Liston's boxing skills with his power would be a very bad match up for Young. I think Young was most likely to do well against punchers who didn't have the most sound technical skills, Liston was not only a devastating puncher but very sound technically I think his jab would punish Young and set up a knock out.

 

What if jimmy slips the jab? He doesn't get hit with jabs. That's the hardest punch to hit him with. Right hands to the body were as effective as anything against him.

I think Klompton makes a real good point about the matchup. He'd have Sonny missing and then, Sonny loads up trying for the ko. Not boxing but loading up. I can definately see that happening and there sure isn't a Dundee or Goldman or Blackburn in that corner to get him to listen and change tactics during the 60 seconds between rounds.

That's were Sonny can lose a fight like this, loading up and not paying attention to proper instructions and not changing up.

And I definately think that right hand counter of jimmy's lands here. It was real nice and quick and must have had something on it to make guys like Ali and foreman fall for feints. I think he lands it and Sonny falls for feints also and ends up in a tough tough boxing match.

I think the bore in types like Marciano/Frazier/Tyson/ can get to Jimmy and get him out of there. But he can be murder on the guys using fundamentals for everything and especially guys not accustomed to thinking 3 minutes a round.