In hind sight, How should Frazier have fought Foreman?

Cosell did a straw poll on the round among the ringside press, they tabbed it as an even round ,it's on the tape.

I posted a link that gave Foreman every round.
I can defend my stance all night and every night .
I'll bet you $100 I have more support on this forum than you do ,ie more lean towards my scoring than yours.
Want to take the bet?

Got to go I'm up at 3.30 ,running a dog in the north of the UK.

Let me know about that bet.:good

 

Greyhound?

 

The only thing on tape is what we just discussed. Cosell saying, "The feeling at ringside.."

Your link was not what you said it was, it's just another modern day internet *******'s opinion like mine and yours. Odd, you'll take that over an actual AP article from the time just because it's closer to your opinion.

I'll help you. Sports Illustrated I think wrote an unfair article on the fight, ripping Frazier. But that's my thing, I don't think Frazier is getting a fair shake in this fight and his success at countering and slipping Foreman before gassing out and getting knocked out is being downplayed because "Foreman always beats Frazier" is a safe accepted opinion. And people wanted Foreman/Ali II at the time. Foreman losing rounds to a flabby Frazier is not good for that.

That's a stupid bet, I don't have a very high opinion of the majority of this forum and being at odds with them is where I prefer to be.

My challenge to you, is to simply explain why you feel it is a Foreman round. Your claim that Foreman out landed Frazier doesn't ring true. I've listed specific punches, you only named the right hand that hit Frazier's shoulder in the opening seconds. Seriously, if Foreman actually landed 25 clean punches on Joe, Joe wouldn't have been standing.

 

Lurcher.:good

 

I've told you twice I can't find that link.Judging by how you scored this fight I'm not surprised you have difficulty reading posts.

I'll change the bet to suit you.
Produce a sports writer of repute who gives Frazier 3 of the 4 completed rounds as you do.


How's that? $100:hey
You don't have a very high opinion of the majority of this forum?
I know someone you hold in very high regard ,I'm posting in reply to him.

 

His best option would have been to say that he would defend his title against whoever won an eliminator between Ali and Foreman.

 

Thing is he took Foreman to avoid Ali!

 

Bad idea!

He might have been able to win a rematch with Ali, given the power to dictate the terms.

 

I can read just find, your last post once more said, "I posted a link that gave Foreman every round." and I called you out on that bluff yet again.


I can't find any sports writers who even bothered to do a literal round by round scoring of this fight on the net. The AP article is all we got, which just describes the rounds.

Well, I've said I can understand not scoring 1 to Frazier. as he wasn't very active despite boxing well But I want to know what people see in Rounds 2 and 4. And in the greater picture of this thread, do these rounds show us that a prime bobbing and weaving Frazier could evade and score on Foreman? I think they do.

Janitor hardly represents the majority of this forum. For every Janitor, we have 20 trolls and fringe lunatics, many of which don't like me.

And I've already explained I don't do money bets, let alone bets on something as stupid and abstract as "forum majority" or "sports writer scoring". I'll bet on fight outcomes, something that is actually concrete. I'm still open to Kov/Stevenson loser leaves town. Hell, since Stevenson is a disgraceful ducker that wants easy pickings for another year, we'll do Kov/Pascal. I bet on Kov to be the first man to stop Pascal.

 

The thing is that this Frazier was damaged and out of shape. I do agree that it would be interesting if this Frazier's mindset was in a FOTC Frazier. Joe definitely showed he could box when he had to.
The '76 Joe was, without a doubt, making George miss a lot of punches.

 

I haven't bluffed anything I've posted a link that gave Foreman every round,where's the bluff in that ? You are weird!
I told you I've been unable to find the ringside reporters link, I don't give a **** whether you believe me or not.


My report states categorically that Foreman won every round and

gives a points breakdown.

Your's just says Frazier appeared to have an edge in the first round.

Here is the one I posted yet again!

http://home.comcast.net/~heavyweights/ForemanvsFrazier2.htm


You want to know what people see to give rounds to Foreman ?


Here's the guys ticket from the closed circuit telecast theatre

Foreman's punching power? Let's find out.

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Here's the fight as I saw it.-

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[SIZE=+1]Round 1- Frazier not going forward, but being cautious early. Foreman is sticking and landing good jabs and straight rights early. Frazier is covering up but still being hit by some of George's shots. Foreman is landing well here early.

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[SIZE=+1]Round 2- Foreman is sticking the jab and Frazier lands a looping right. Foreman landing short crisp punches, but takes a good left hook from Frazier. Foreman digs underneath and lands well. Frazier lands another hook, but Foreman is getting the better of it.

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[SIZE=+1]Round 3- Foreman comes out popping the jab. Frazier comes back with his own jab, but takes a clubbing right from Foreman to the body. Foreman is landing nice shots now and Joe is covering up. He is trying to come off the ropes with nice hooks, but is getting in.

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[SIZE=+1]Round 4- Action slows early in the round. Foreman lands a big right and uppercut to Frazier's head. Foreman is still getting through with nice shots and appears to be hurting Joe with most punches now.[/SIZE]

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[SIZE=+1]Round 5- Frazier lands a nice left hook. Foreman comes back with some nice body shots. Foreman is landing with clean nice under hooks.

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What has Janitor to do with this ? I never mentioned him.:huh

Talking of Janitor, he is one of the best posters here, and we disagree a lot.
"Many on here don't like you"? There's a surprise!
You don't man up when you are proven wrong,you twist and spin everything that doesn't fit into your agenda,you accuse anyone who doesn't agree with you of lying and bluffing, and you are generally sneering and offensive in your tone.
Do you expect to be Mr Popular?

Excuses, excuses, excuses.

 

Making him miss and landing what? You need to land punches to win rounds. If I miss 20 shots and land ten, and you throw and land 5 ,it's still my round.

 

And I don't care about that link. I'm refering to this claim of a ringside report link.

WTF? :huh After all that, you once more try to claim this as a genuine report or article from the time. I don't believe it to be genuine, it is namelss and references future events and talks about the fight in past tense. Again, it has about as much worth as any other opinion of the fight on the net.

And I don't care what it says, I want to hear in your words why Foreman won the 4th.

The same **** from you, *****ing and crying about other people's tone despite being one of the most hostile and condescending posters on here. You come off like a bully who can't handle somebody else shoving your **** right back in your face.

One more time, please break down the 4th round in your own words.

 

Frazier landed several flush left hooks and jabs as I outlined in Round 4.

Can you do the same for Foreman? It looks to me like Foreman out threw Frazier but was still outlanded in the round.

From earlier:

The big right hand at the start hits Frazier on the shoulder in the slow motion replay and knocks him off balance but Frazier comes back with a clean left hook. Foreman appears to feel it, and gets knocked back.

Frazier lands at least two more clean left hooks and gets in a triple jab directly to Foreman's eye and face which likely causes the swelling. Foreman doesn't land anything of note in the round, Frazier slips or blocks just about everything he throws. Frazier even closes the round strong with a loud thudding clean left hook counter that Foreman certainly feels

What exactly do you see Foreman landing good in this round? The only punch that effects Frazier is a push to his shoulder. Foreman's jabs and uppercuts are zipping by his head, some attempted body punches hit the arms and glove, and when he does touch Frazier, he's doing just that, touching him to try find range, only to miss when he commits to the punch. In contrast, Frazier is landing with flush punches. You hear the pop, and see Foreman react even if it's just his head moving and him taking a step back.

 

Absolutely, good to see someone else who was paying attention to this fight.