how can you say that? dempsey himself said marciano hit harder than him since,with only one shot, his opponents stayed down,i feel that tyson hit as hard as marciano.common opponents of louis and marciano agreed the rock hit harder but louis' were faster and he punched in combo.i feel tyson's strength,speed,accuracy and commitment to the punch, make him one of the very top,if not THE top of all the heavyweight sluggers.
Tyson's greatest attribute was his speed not his power… His speed and balance produced his power. And he often used combos or a succession of combos to blast guys out. In the end, I guess the results all the same. But the speed comes first.
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Most everyone is saying a variation of the same thing. Tyson was not the hardest puncher ever, not even close. that does not mean he did not hit extremely hard. A man 7' is taller than the VAST majority of the population. But never in modern times did you not have someone over 7 & 1/2' tall, the tallest ever just under 9'. EFFECTIVENESS is very different tha pure force. Speed, combinations, accuracy, even endurance & defense to get the KO's & stay around, are some of the factors involved-as is work rate. This takes nothing away from Tyson. But Janitor & others are absolutely correct. Even in his own time, I'll bet likely all of these guys hit harder, at least a bit, for one punch. Ruddock, Smith, Morrison, Bruno, Butterbean, Tua, ****ey, old Foreman. Lewis at least as hard. Others at least close, like Cooper. Tyson was significantly better than all but Lewis.
quite a lot of nonsense is spoken here and in many other posts on this topic. many saying, speed, force, accuracy, balance, effectiveness blah blah, call it what you want, it is still known as "PUNCHING" and no one done it better or harder than Michael Gerard Tyson!
Nobody apart from Joe Louis, George Foreman, Earnie Shavers, Razor Ruddock, Tommy Morrison, Lennox Lewis, Wladamir Klitschko......
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Tyson is still the biggest cheater that I ever saw , at least at 200+ , which is the reason for his offensive success. Elbows , headbutts , armlocks , armbars , and yes , steroids and probably HGH too . I very rarely use PEDs accusation to discredit anyone, but in sake of completeness of argument and because I know its a likable accusation and also a denied 1 regarding Tyson I brought it.
This is your opinion and your entitled to it, But name me a heavyweight boxer who has not used steroids in the last 50yrs. Klitschko brothers, Foreman, Norton, Lewis, Weaver, Holyfield, Rahman, Ruddock, Morrison, Mercer, Moorer the list is endless. steroids, HGH, PEDs, Creatine etc etc and it does not only apply to boxing. all other impact sports like football, rugby, hockey. the players are all using drugs.
The only two common opponents of Shavers and Tyson in competition have been unequivocal in retirement that Earnie was definitely a harder puncher than Mike. Everybody knows what Larry Holmes has repeatedly said over the years, and has heard Quick Tillis bring up the absolute supremacy of the Shavers power in a telephone interview conducted with James that's been on youtube for years. It's akin to the overwhelming consensus in favor of Shavers over George Foreman by their six common opponents in competition. A single dissent might be brushed off, but here we're looking at a combined 8-0 unanimous jury opinion convicting Earnie as being a harder puncher than either Tyson or Foreman. (The jurors were Charlie Polite, Leroy Caldwell, Ron Lyle, Ken Norton, Jimmy Young, Muhammad Ali, Larry Holmes and Quick Tillis.) Henry Clark was in a unique career position. After Shavers-Clark I in Paris, which Earnie boxed his most skilled performance coming in with a bruised right hand, using his long jab and lateral movement originally learned as a lineman on the scholastic gridiron (Shavers was an excellent all-around short burst athlete in school), Henry would unquestionably (and appropriately) have favored Sonny Liston over Earnie in the power punching department. Shavers completely reversed his surprisingly stylish stick and move based decision win in Paris by coming into their Yankee Stadium rematch on the Ali-Norton III under-card with two healthy hands, and characteristically blasted Clark out with a two round RSC, changing Henry's opinion about Earnie's punching power as it compared to Liston's considerably. (Still, nobody ever floored Henry Clark, whose lineup of power punching opposition is considerably pithier than Chuvalo's.) Earnie Shavers >>> Mike Tyson in punching power. Now, that's not to say Earnie defeats Mike H2H. Tyson would have very serious advantages in defensive skill and elusiveness, hand speed, and this is a situation where I think his mid range comfort zone preference gets him inside the long arms of Shavers very quickly. There's a reason Mike's nickname was "Iron," and it has something to do with the physical template which gave him innate punch resistance, something he shared with Foreman. Earnie's chin was actually fine. Jerry Quarry needed nearly 60 punches to land him, and Ron Lyle (who twice dropped a rusty Foreman rather abruptly) needed over three rounds to beat Shavers down with attrition at altitude on his Denver home turf. But while it took a lot during Earnie's prime to deck him (except for the deadly Jeff Sims), he did not respond and recover well from accumulative punishment. (That's a large part of why Shavers came off the deck in the opening round to produce the definitive comeback win of his career on the Berbick-Ali under-card to stop Jeff a few rounds later. Sims caught Earnie with a single sharp right hand instead of beating him down with accumulation, so Shavers was able to rebound.) Earnie would not be illegally pushing Mike backwards and manhandling him. For one, Shavers didn't possess that kind of physical strength. Second, Earnie was a clean and sporting slugger compared to the physically powerful shoving and mauling brute Foreman was. Listonian height and reach of Shavers was a huge asset against taller heavyweights with long arms like Clark, but an awful liability against the quick and short armed JQ. The defensively elusive Tyson may be the closest thing to Jerry Quarry to hold the HW title in modern times. So while I don't think Mike has a chance of matching a healthy Shavers in punching power, nor do I think he would need to. Not only did JQ blow Earnie out in one, Jimmy Ellis had Shavers going in a neutral corner before Harold Valan broke the fatal clinch which gave Earnie the opening he needed to unload his uppercut. Mike is not likely to get clinched like that with his peek-a-boo, will get between the long arms of Shavers quickly, then Earnie will be retreating and covering up on the defensive as Tyson's superior speed, combinations and shorter arms do to Shavers what JQ did. Ellis had him going, and Sims decked him in that opening stanza. It's a styles thing, and I think Mike can get Earnie in a single round before Shavers has much of a chance to connect at all. George Foreman is a very different proposition for Tyson than Shavers would be. Big George WILL get his hands on Mike's broad shoulders, illegally shove him backwards and around as Foreman always did when he had the opportunity, then Tyson would lose what little composure he had almost immediately. George was the closest thing to a sumo yokozuna to ever hold the heavyweight championship, and if boxing gloves were 70 ounce thumb-less pillows with all hand and wrist wrappings banned, GF would be the GOAT. (If boxing was a championship distance shoving contest in the squared circle, who the hell would beat him? Maybe Jimmy Young would still outscore him with punches, but Tyson certainly wouldn't, and Jim Jeffries wouldn't have the necessary height and reach to match shoving with GF, although he might have had the speed, stamina, muscular endurance and lateral movement to come from behind over a longer distance.) Key difference between Tyson-Shavers and Foreman-Tyson is that while Mike's mid range setting would be inside Earnie's comfort zone in that specific pairing, it would be exactly where George wanted Tyson, and it's not George who would be on the back foot here, especially with Mike's peek-a-boo. Peak for peak, Foreman-Tyson would produce a similar outcome to Foreman-Frazier II if Mike is smart. Tyson could survive a while, but off balance and in continual retreat, he gets eventually gets caught in George's maximum stoppage preference of five rounds. (Because of O'Halloran, Lyle and Frazier II, I do think of Foreman as a five round fighter as that was the latest round in which he produced knockdowns during his first career.)
I don't agree with any of this bullshhit. Tyson still hit very, very hard. Harder than Morrison, harder than Butterbean, ****ey or Bruno. The pendulum has swung too far the other way.